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Hello and welcome to cookies coming to you live on the heritage radio network from like, you know, like 12 Like you know, whatever, whatever. Like you know, almost one o'clock from a Virtus pizzeria in Bushwick. I'm joined as usual, Anastasia the hammer Lopez and Dave in the booth. How you doing Dave?

I'm good. How about you? Okay, you're not gonna ask him associate how she's doing?

Yeah, if we can talk about that. We can talk about meetings later if you want. Speaking of that,

let's talk about Bezos again.

What? Amazon's a trillion dollar company now. Yep. Yeah. You know. So Amazon's a trillion dollar company. And yet we can't get enough internet service in this box from you to open what I need. Yeah. Anyways, no, I mean, I have nothing negative to say about Amazon, except for they owe us a lot of money. And it means we can't pay our suppliers back. I

was on the phone with them last week. And they said I was too mean to their accounting department. Listen

to all that sounds true. Listen, this, by the way, call in all of your business related questions to 718-497-2128. That's 718-497-2128. Anastasia, was like in rare form, because she sends me some of their emails, you should hear what she titles, the invoices as I mean, you're

supposed to title your invoices that you send to Amazon so that they pay you so you

can reference them later they every every invoice has to have a unique identifier title, and her titles are not safe for work. I mean, they're

like, tells Amazon where to put their invoices. Yeah,

yeah. Yeah, yeah. And involves multiple body parts. But the thing is, is they always like a boat ton of money. Let me put it this way, put it this way. So imagine if you will, that I'll leave all the names out. So that you know protect everyone but imagine that you pay to have a factory make a whole bunch of stuff now, factories, being not stupid won't make you the stuff and hand it to you until you've paid them for it. Right? Most of it like you have to have paid for I think two thirds of it, they deliver it and then you pay the last third, right? And then you know what they have before on the last third is is that they assume you're gonna order it again, and so that they're not going to make you any more in Hell you pay them. So anyways, so someone from you know, we remain nameless, nameless but who's you know, let's just call them Ramazan. Right. Ramazan negotiated a deal with us whereby they purchase our cereals from us purchase them. In other words, we don't own them this way people ask us, can you do this? Can you do that? Unfortunately, at this point, hopefully Anastasia, I can change this. We don't currently Anastasia and I currently do not own any sizzles actually own like 40 Women for you. Yeah. Anyway. So they take directly delivery from us in China, like we never even touched them. Right. And yet, they want they take delivery. And yet they want us to prove that they got delivered in the United States at their warehouse at their warehouse, even though they were the shipper and the receiver and the receiver and the entire thing was predicated on they pay us from the date, they take delivery in China. So let me put this in perspective, let's say, I mean, it's ridiculous. It's like, let's say I took an airplane to France. And I bought a bunch of cheese on credit. And then I, I took the cheese, I took the cheese on the airplane, and then I get on the airplane, and then somehow, my bag. Let's say it's legal cheese gets misplaced, or whatever, I don't know where I put my bag because I'm a schmuck, right? Then I call up the cheese company in France and say, Hey, I'm canceling my credit card. And they're like, Well, why are you canceling your credit card? But they're gonna say it in French. And I say to them, Well, I can't find my bag. Why don't you prove to me that my bag got to me here in New York City. And they're like, it's ridiculous. I told her she's in France. says, You know what? I mean? It's like, they're gonna say, You know what I mean? It's like,

that's how you make a trillion dollar company. Yeah,

so literally, Anastasia. I don't know when we talked about this before. But literally, the Stasi is sent an email directly to Amazon. Because honestly, they are preventing us from paying our suppliers. It's funny, but he's putting our company in actual severe Jeopardy, because they have all of our money tied up in fears, all the inventory, and the factories like, we're not gonna make any more.

And then Amazon placed another order for a bunch and they're like, get them here. And I'm like, pay us.

Yeah. So anyway, so literally the day that Anastasia has, I don't know maybe 50 or 60 or 80 contacts in her email that are different people we we speak to an Amazon all but one I'm sure quit because they were emailed more than five minutes ago. Remember? If you have called someone in Amazon and you call back in five minutes, that person has already quit. Just remember that right? Anastasia, that's your and they blame whatever the last person said on that person and not on the company no one ever takes anyway. So literally the day Jeff Bezos became the richest you know, human on Earth or whatever it was. This This does he said all of our contacts, a blast email be like, hey, congratulations. I heard Bezos is the richest man on earth. I hope he's enjoying that series all money free money Awesome. All right, so I'm gonna talk about I'll talk about my trip later if we have time, which we're not going to I love Death Valley Death Valley was great day. Have you ever been to Death Valley? Nope. Stasi everything. You said you didn't like it? No. It's amazing, Shaka. Why didn't you like it?

I don't like deserts. I don't like that landscape.

But there's a billion different deserts you don't like any of them?

I don't like feeling landlocked.

Is this why you like left Southern California? Desert Water? Southern California? Well, the part of Southern California that's on the water is on the water and the rest of it isn't

when you go far it's feels super land. By the way

people that far means like 45 minutes away. Excuse you. Like how far? How far from where you live? Yeah. Have you ever you don't live on the water you you're closer to the desert into the water in Covina. You're on the you're on the outside of LA not on the inside of La you're not on the beach side of LA. You have to go through a highway to get by the way. Another thing letter theory. You know how everyone says this, they're gonna get a lot of trouble for this. Everyone says the food is like, super fantastic. Better than New York, right for like different ethnic cuisines. And this may be true, but I think, you know, I think people are misreading New York when they say that what they mean is, is that all of La which is a huge, sprawling, fundamentally feels like a suburb like when you're in, like parts of LA that are legitimately LA. That could be Jersey City, right? It could be like deep queens. It could. It could be Yonkers. You know what I mean? In other words, like the feel Have it the density feels much more like, you know, close suburb than it does. Urban like downtown Manhattan. So I think people need to adjust themselves when they say the that the quote unquote ethnic cuisine is better in LA, this might be true. And they have lots of fantastic food. I had lots of really good food when I was in LA, even though I was only there for a couple of nights. I mean, the fact the matter is what they mean is better food than Manhattan, which is where people go, I mean, are people including queens, or Staten Island, I was joking with Anastasia last night, I was like I hear there's great Sri Lankan food in Staten Island. Great. But I'm probably more likely to go to Sri Lanka than to go to Staten Island, you know, because that's just how New Yorkers are. You know what I mean? Like, I'm more likely to say, You know what, Sri Lanka sounds like a nice place to visit. I hear that they you know, I hear that the turmoil is settled down and they have great food. You know, maybe I'll go to JFK. And I'll get on an airplane. But

you're on a ferry to Staten Island Do

you want me to spend all day I gotta get on a subway. I gotta go I gotta get to the subway go to a subway to take a ferry. To them what walk What am I going to take that Staten Island Railroad? What am I going to get? jeroni Yeah, what am i What is this? Since I can go eat SriLanka if we actually don't get food sounds delicious. I'm just gonna get a pizza here. I mean, that's how New Yorkers are. That's how we are. We're the most provincial people in the world, like so you go to like, you go to like it. It's like the average New Yorker thinks that you know that they're like, like worldly and cosmopolitan, which in some ways is true. But the average one of us travels, what like five miles, maybe radius? Maybe? You know what I mean? The Stasi, if I have to tell you that you have to cross some sort of river to do something like, yeah, here is a Yeah, I mean, we come to the radio show. Because it's like, you know, a job. You know what I mean? But like we go to, we don't get paid.

Whenever we show up late for

Yeah, well, you know, you know, your heart says, but then, like, but I tell him the Stasi, a heinous dasya there's an event we should go to. She's like, Oh, really? Okay, where's it? And we're like, I'm like Brooklyn. She's like, Oh, hell, yeah. No, yeah. Because once she gets back home, she's back home. Whereas in LA, you're like, hey, we're gonna go get some food. It's only an hour away. Only an hour. You know what I mean? Yeah, so anyway, I think it's just unfair. The way

Oh, right. And Dave and I are going to be out there. We should do some kind of giveaway.

To do something. Want to do an LA giveaway. We're there on the 15th 16th

we actually if you pay heritage $10,000 You can come to our series all barbecue.

Let's make it 2020 Okay, great. That sounds like no one's gonna do that. But okay. Oh, tennis fan.

Okay. 10 10k and Dallas gets you to the barbecue in our secret location.

$10 Yeah. $10 us you're

gonna shake Dave's hand. No,

you get to you get to talk Dave's ear off all the questions you guys are bad people.

Take a break and come back. Find.

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You're gonna let it cool down before you toss the other stuff with it. No, you're gonna put the oil on the freakin Faro. No. What? No, no oil, the stars. He's just being a chump. No. Have you ever made something like this before? Yes, I have no oil, no oil, no oil, no oil. So you're saying you're gonna serve it hot or cold? It would

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We're like those commercials on that Long Island station that I like,

oh my god, whenever we're driving. I remember driving up the coast of Connecticut. We just ask you tunes in this one. This one Station from Long Island where it's still like hyperlocal they're like, Billy got caught stealing credit cards again, Billy, you know what I mean? And then they're like, Oh, I love that radio station. Oh, by the way, as I predicted, I got notified this by someone on Twitter. FDA advises consumers to avoid eating, drinking or handling food products prepared with liquid nitrogen at the point of sale. Alright, let's go through this again, the FDA This is on fda.gov. So this is not national enquirer.com This is FDA dot g o v. FDA advises consumers to avoid eating drink drinking or handling food, eating, drinking or handling food products prepared with liquid nitrogen at the point of sale. Now, I will say the one thing that does make sense that they that they wrote in their finding, in general, other foods treated with liquid nitrogen prior to the point of sale and before consumption, for example, some frozen confections are treated in such a way that results in the complete evaporation of liquid nitrogen before reaching the consumer and are no longer at an extremely low temperature and therefore do not pose a significant risk of injury Ellison falls, I use liquid nitrogen at the point of sale and yet I also have techniques to guarantee that the thing is a not too cold and B does not contain any residual liquid nitrogen, right? So it's like, I'm gonna read some of the stupid stuff that they say okay, first of all, believe it or not, Anastasia look at that same damn picture. The FDA use the same damn lazy exactly right Anastasia, Lazy, Lazy even our government goes on and like steals freaking clipart images or whatever from other things to put up and they're like, Oh, get a nice image of the of the Dragon spreadsheet real I'm gonna use that one you know what I mean? The government. So they say here? Liquid nitrogen, although non toxic can cause severe damage to skin and internal organs if mishandled or accidentally ingested due to the extremely low temperatures? It can maintain? No, it is cold, right liquid nitrogen stethoscope can maintain people be accurate with your freakin writing. You don't I mean? Like, why do they need all those extra words can maintain everyone is such a crappy writer, why is everyone suck so much? You know what I mean? And I'm paying this person all of all of us are paying this person to do this writing there are plenty of people out there with the skills to write pay them anyway, it can maintain inhaling the vapor released by a food or drink prepared by adding liquid nitrogen immediately before consumption may also cause breathing difficulty may does not does not but may in the same way that it may be true that the moon is made of Roquefort cheese. It may be true, like, you know, from some sort of quantum mechanical aspect that if that if that I might accidentally fall through the earth because all of my atoms might miss all the other atoms is not true. Right? Remember, that claim of causing breathing difficulties right is due to someone who had their their grandson I believe Jonnie Jonnie, right. Gianni was heading home in the car. 40 minutes after having Dragon's Breath in Jacksonville, Florida, where it's humid as the devil and he had asthma, and he had asthma. And he had an asthma attack. 40 minutes after the grandma was like, must have been that thing that I'm not used to. It must have been nothing that I'm not used to. This is how like, witches get burnt. You know what I mean? They're like, you know, that lady was kind of crazy. And we saw her, and then my niece gave birth, and that the kid had crazy hair coming out. That lady's a witch. You know what I mean? That's the same exact, it's the same exact so that's what we're

good at. People know us

on. People in general. I think the thing is, is that I think everywhere in general. That's like, you know, you go to like the old school European, like, you know, my my stepfather, Sam, they're like, Well, no, no, my luck. Yeah, my rock. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know, you know, I mean, like, like, in all these things. It's like, everyone everywhere, everyone is superstitious about stuff and does post hoc ergo propter. hoc and like, you know, is willing to make, you know, wide ranging conclusions based on zero data points. But we just don't, no one expects that their own crew is going to do that. You know what I mean? No one expects it because everyone's like, well, here in America, we are, you know, we are logical and smart. Now. We're all people. You know what I mean? We all make the same dumb mistakes. And then predictably or, you know, our government makes the same dumb mistake and calls it out as though it is true. As though it is true. Mmm food and drinks prepared by adding liquid nitrogen immediately before consumption may be sold in malls food courts, kiosks, state or local fairs and other food retail locations well you just said every damn thing once you add the words other food retail locations, you know what I mean? What they mean is predominantly it's at these places these include get this people more good writing these products may include liquid nitrogen infused colorful cereal or cheese puffs. Infused infused okay, I know that I get semantically angry in the same way that my partner Don Lee you know in bargaining the bar gets mad with like, you know, technical terms like fat washing, you're not infusing the freak, you're chilling the damn stuff anyway. Similarly, alcoholic or non alcoholic drinks prepare with liquid nitrogen emit a fog in COVID. Like we don't ever serve as a like a something it's actively foaming over with thumb to somebody. It's stupid. It's just bad. The FDA has become aware of severe and in some cases, life threatening injuries such as damage to skin and internal organs caused by liquid nitrogen still present in the food or drink. What about the FDA has become aware that people burn themselves all the time on things like deep fry oil, or like, you know, if I plant my face into a fondue pot, you know that if let's say I was to get an oil fondue and old school oil fondue, right? And I'm like, This looks fun. I think that this is something to wash my hands. And I think this is the hand wash bowl, and then you stick your hand into the bubbling like oil concoction. It's bubbling because there's water at the bottom, I realize the wheel itself is not bubbling. But when you put the food in, there's water, whatever, you put your

birthday and you stayed night with your steak. Yeah, and you're like,

you know what? The steak knife looks like a toothpick. I'm gonna shove it in my gums. You know what I mean? It's like, dum, dum. Look, all I'm saying is, let's be sensible people. What you should do is tell people not as they do at the end, they say the only smart things. Well, here's the other thing. Here. At the end of this paragraph, there is a call to all lunatics. Consumers who have experienced an injury because of handling or eating products prepared with liquid nitrogen at the point of sale immediately before consumption should consult their health care professional, they should also consider reporting their injury to MedWatch. So there it is called all lunatics. Let me tell you something. For years before I got into business I'm in now I was a database designer for lawyers and those lawyers did asbestos related law. And I personally know knew many dozens of people who had legitimate asbestos related cancers who died as a result of their exposure to asbestos. So I hate I mean, I hate them still to this day, asbestos companies, they got away literally with murder, right? So I'm just saying that for someone who doesn't, I'm not telling you that certain things aren't bad. But on the other hand, if you tell everyone that you know that they're gonna get a disease based on something, then they do because for every legitimate asbestos related disease, and I saw many, many, many sad cases of asbestos related disease, you know, back when I was doing that, you'd get this one, bring Hello. And they say, I'm like, I'm calling about, you know, what, what you said and like, well, what what do we say? And they're like, I've got the asbestos. It was always like, that was always something. I was remodeling my house, and I took down some plaster board, and now I have a cough. I think I've got the asbestos. That was the thing that always say the asbestos. I'm like, sir, I know what you're talking about is asbestosis. And you need a lot of asbestos to get asbestosis, mesothelioma, maybe not so much. But anyway, give me a call later in 20 years of that happens by hearing the hang up, when you call it when you when you specifically ask for lunatics to come out and say they're injured by something. Lunatics will show up. And if the FDA is already in a position where they're saying that they believe, like Greg, Johnny's grandma on the fact that Johnny's asthma quote, unquote, was caused by inhaling what amounts to people as the air that little Johnny is already breathing because that's what our air is made out of. You know what I mean? Nitrogen. We're in for a world of hurt. On that same note, we got a question in from see if I can call up because I forgot to put my phone on auto stay open, because I am stupid. Okay. We got a question in from John. Not Johnny from Jacksonville, Florida. But John from Manila. And it says, Greetings again from Manila, Philippines. Dave, what are your comments about this news? All right. And here's the and then the news was that there's a professor who holds a dual, I would it's not dual citizenship, what's it called, like a dual dual professorship. She's a professor at the University of Freiburg, so his talk was given in German, so I wasn't able to find in a short amount of time I had the full life If there's a translation somewhere into English and my German is not good enough to read her original German, not good enough anymore, you know why? German, which I took in college, I was very good in college, German, one of those languages, it's so rule based that you can like, learn it, be pretty good at it, and then completely forget it. Because it's like, like forgetting a bunch of rules. It's not like riding a bicycle, where it's all about field, you're like, you put the verb to, and this is how you do it. You're I mean, it's like, it's very, you know, anyway. So what this what this professor did was, she came out and she said that coconut oil is a pure poison. Right? So apparently, she said a lot of stuff, which I would have liked to have read about how anti superfood in general. And then she went a ballistic on coconut oil. And the same old sad story about, you know, oh, it's saturated fat. And so she says it's poison. Now, for those of you that haven't gone to a supermarket in the past five years, you know, or didn't maybe you've just started going to the supermarket. Let's say that you just started going to the supermarket last month, and you were born like three months ago, then, you know, you think that there's always been a huge section in your supermarket with a bunch of different brands of coconut oil sold in glass jars, right? Or coconut fat sold glass jars. Not the case. Like six years ago, you go to my local supermarket, and you would find exactly zero containers of coconut oil zero. You don't I mean, coconut milk? Yes. Coconut cream? Yes. Coconut oil. No. Interestingly, coconut oil not sold in the same area as coconut milk and coconut cream. In fact, in my supermarket coconut cream and coconut milk, not in the same aisle. Right. Coconut milk is in the it's in the vaguely ethnic section. We're like, we're not sure maybe, maybe you're some sort of Hispanic person. Maybe you're some sort of Asian person. That's where coconut milk is. Coconut Cream is the we think that maybe you like to party aisle, you know what I mean? And then the coconut oil, remember that all comes from the same plant coconut oil is in the I do yoga aisle. Oil, which is the same as the I do yoga, I'll write Anyway, point being that this is a relatively new thing, because people come out and touted that thing. So anyway, what are my thoughts? So John says, I find this hard to believe, but if you agree with this, is there another way to get a to get a spirit to the to get the spirit of the flavor of the coconut? Feel free? Feel free to think I'm a coconut nut John. Anyway, if you're from the Philippines, and you don't use coconut oil, you might as well might as well call it a freaking day. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's like super traditional, different kinds of, you know, palm oils and coconut palm oil, more specifically, like cooked palm oil and the red palm oil, which in African cuisine everywhere. It's traditional. My point is this. Also, like so she was out against coconut milk because she was like doing that old saw about saturated fat being bad. And just as predictably a you know, some I didn't bother looking at his credentials, but apparently he's a world renowned cardiologist came out and slammed her right at but one of the reasons it made such big news is She's a professor at Harvard as well. Right? So Harvard School of, you know of this kind of thought, you know, run by Willett and all those guys is one of the world renowned things. So if Harvard comes out and says coconut oil is pure poison was like, oh my god, coconut oil house pear pies. And, and then the cardiology is like, no coconut oil is really good for you there. And of course, he can't just leave it at that. First of all, he shouldn't even say I should just say coconut oil is food. Eat it if you like, you know what I mean? Like but instead of that, because not only is it good, the real enemy is shoulder because everyone has to have a friggin enemy. It's all about not it's all it's none of it is hey, just mellow the hell out and eat some food. It's like, No, this is your friend eat five like boat. Tons of that your real enemy is this other things. So the only thing I think that hasn't been demonized recently, is protein right? As anyone come out and said, You know what you should stay away from? Yeah, no, nobody's ever said that routine they've ever heard anyone say you should get rid of protein. Nope. All I know is is that whatever. I mean? Have you ever ever eaten one of those even for a short amount of time? Those super high protein diet? No. Yeah, I did for a couple of days as a test once Atkins. Yeah, I didn't find it pleasant and unpleasant. It's not pleasant. What

about that diet that Jordan Peterson's daughter promotes Lisette? You only eat beef salt and water?

What the hell what?

You should you should google this. It's, I don't know. She claims it like fixed all these health issues that she was having, which maybe for her for some freakish reason they did in the short term, but like this is obviously not sustainable.

For everyone some people's health problem. Is that there Bananarama dingdong Yeah, you don't I mean, and like and that can be finicky for that. Well, no, no, there is. But there isn't a way right. So like, let's say, like, you're like, you know what, I'm gonna do it. Not only Cheez Its and raw meat, and I'm going to get all of my water from raw meat. Don't do that. Right? If you believe that that's good for you, and you're regimented about it, and you're also doing a bunch of other stuff, maybe you'll end up in better shape. I doubt it. You know what I mean? But, you know, your mind, if you think you're doing something good for yourself, your mind can make yourself you know, feel better. In some ways. That's why like, I think when I had to remember that when I had to go on that raw food diet, and I was such a or that juice, the Master Cleanse I had to go on for a week because I lost a bet. I don't remember the master. Remember maple syrup and lemon juice? Yeah, yeah, I had to do it for like a week. And I think people who believe that it's good for them, like associate the physical discomfort, and kind of the butt spray that they're set on when they do this, right. They they conflate that kind of nastiness happening with your body with good things happening to your body. There's this weird conflation, right? So they feel quote unquote, great, because they think that they're doing something good for your body. Whereas I who believe this is all horse hockey, I feel terrible. Because like, I'm like, why am I punishing myself? I could be having real food. Anyways. So I think the whole thing is a nightmare. I think the whole I think the entire super food thing is a freaking nightmare. I think all the arguments on all sides are complete nightmares. I think people should get, you know, I think here's the other thing, right? So like, no one's ever. I don't have time today, we can talk about it. But like that I was reviewing that from a couple of months ago and recently reported the lancet article on alcohol consumption. And I'll read you the title of the article. So you guys can go look at it. Maybe we can discuss next week if anyone wants to call in on it. But it's called alcohol use and burden for 195 countries and territories 1990 and 1990 to 2016. And it talks about this is the one where they said even a single glass of Day a day of liquor increases your risk of death. And by the way, for those of you that keep track of this, they use a fun thing called the disability adjusted life years, or, Hey, daily for all you atmosphere fans out there. And I don't know if they're probably to atmosphere fans out there. It's like I don't even know what atmosphere is. I've never been in Minnesota. Anyway, so they're there. I'm going to read this study if I have time this week, which I probably won't in depth no to try to go to try to go through it but three minutes. Actually to anyway, I will go through we'll talk about that later. As you might guess, I have issues with that. As with all studies, not all studies, but many studies. Oh, full disclosure, I sell alcohol. Autos real quick, I live in it. This is from a Jane from Toronto, I have a question about making Applejack. My boyfriend and I live near Toronto, Canada but are afraid that it won't get cold enough this winter to properly freeze to steal. It's been pretty hit and miss for the past couple of years global warming you know, freezer space is a bit of an issue but can be worked around if necessary. Wonder if using dry ice will be worth it slash practical. Or if you'll be better at going a different route or planning on making the apple cider ourselves as opposed to buying pre made product. I don't think you should use dry ice because Dry ice is going to probably nucleate very quickly. And I'm pretty sure that what you want for freeze concentration is a flaky plate light crystals that you get from slower quiescent freezing of alcohol. And those plate like crystals will drain better than super fine crystals that you make from freezing something very quickly. So what I would do if you really want to do this, because you're going to be making your own apple cider anyway. So you're investing a lot of time and energy in making apple cider and then freeze concentrating. First of all, realize that many people are anti freeze concentration because it also concentrates congeners just have to let you know that I don't really think you're going to kill yourself or have so much methanol that you go blind but I have to say it, I would just invest in like a $75 and that's all they really cost a $75 small chest freezer like go to your local, you know, huge Mart and get one of those little square like 20 You know, what are they gonna stimulate 20 by 2022 by 22 Like, you know, counter height, like flip open top freezers, it will hold a relatively large thing of apple cider and let it quite recently freeze and do it like it's gonna get easier and easier as the alcohol content goes up and up because you'll be able to harvest crystals more so I would do it that way. Although you might have to insulate the bottom of it because yeah, you might want to freeze from the top down anyway, give it some experimenting, but that's what I would experiment you know, global warming and all that cooking issues

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