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This is Dave on your host of cookies just coming to you live on the heritage radio network really freaking late today from a

poor guy in Iowa

just as usual witnessed

him or tell him now's. Here Lopez told me don't care about

Matt. I care about that guy. Hello,

how you doing anything good happened in the past.

Whatever. We

know I should be more prepared for this

lesson the week after Valentine's Day so I don't know how far away that is like the week that it contains like the 17th of February I will be in Belgium I will be causing a Bedlam in Belgium so we will not be here you go on before then starts. Are we here? Is that two weeks we have I have no idea feels like that would be to call in your cooking or unrelated questions to 718-497-2128. That's 718-497-2128. I'm assuming I'm going to ask you whether you've had interesting food related stuff because your answer is always no. And then I just sit here feeling like a legged jerk for asking you

dinner with their ELS and it Gautham Oh, how's

Ariel doing? She's good. I asked her to come on. But she said no. I hate so he's

always late. How do I know what time?

She's not? ShotSpotter she did not. She did not say. So, by the way, fun fact about Anastasia Lopez. Oh, no. Fun fact.

Is this. What I told you yesterday?

No. Would you tell me yesterday but now add that one in? Oh, by the way. If there's time and you're interested and incredibly gross story to tell you Okay, disgusting stomach turning.

Well, maybe we say that for lunch.

I feel like we just went on a tangent from a tangent and it made me think it made me think of the movie Inception. And what I want to cooking list cooking issues listener to do is figure out how many levels of tangent have we gone before on the show? What's the deepest we've gone into the dream it

almost always comes back. It almost always comes back. It gets more dangerous. The more level levels you go.

I thought this is what I texted you. Yes. Like the Bojack Horseman.

I didn't see that. I'll tell you I love Bojack Horseman you met one of the actors, voice actors. No, I

had somebody tell me you are like Bojack Horseman. I've

told you that you know, millions of times so let me in bed,

which is a real

shame. Well, everybody who knows you knows that you are the female human version of Bojack Horseman. This is like I don't know what character I asked him I live on maybe that goat or that he's not a goat the guy played,

never seen it. Well, you know, I don't even know you don't need to watch. That means if you lived

in LA, and we're a former child's former, like TV star watched a TV star you would be Bojack Horseman.

You know, it's just that when you said it, I thought of you and I was like,

yeah, that's rough.

Oh, no, I didn't even know to bring this up. That's awesome. Wait, what was the fun? The fun fact about Anastasia Lopez. Well, I've said this one on air. Just to give you a flavor for the stasis mindset in general. Is that Miss dasya will never allow herself to go to the Billy Joel concert.

Are you going?

Is there one coming up? Every month? Yeah, maybe I will. Anyway, even though she there's nothing she would love more than to see this Billy Joel concert. She won't go cuz she missed that one ticket. Like

a bee. And I mean, it's all of it was so nice.

Yeah. Anyway, so another fun fact about Anastasia Lopez, is that she loves loves. I mean, loves when I say loves I mean lives for Saturday night life.

Are you going?

No, no, of course you're the one who does you spend your whole life arranged around Saturday Night Live? And so witness dassia will not watch it. If she misses it. I must Saturday. She must see it live.

Nastasya Have you connected with Kat Johnson about this love? No. She loves us.

But the important part is, is that she will not watch it on YouTube the next day. She must watch

it live. And then I read the AV Club Review.

I don't even know what that means. But like, all I'm saying is is that it's the weirdest thing is that if she misses it, she's like I missed it and I'll never see it. Yeah, and I'm like, What is wrong with you? Isn't that weird? Man. It's the same sketch whether you see it and like I was like you know you could sit I know people that DVR you could record it.

No, it's she wants to be part of the whole full experience. Yeah,

you're not though you're a lot of people do this. A lot of people okay, I would like to hear from a lot of people. It's one thing to say you want to watch it live but to refuse to watch it in any other format. It's not a football game. I know who won Saturday live crap, did you and now you can't watch it anymore driver. All I'm gonna say is is I did not watch it live but I saw this gets afterwards Adam driver was hilarious. Or the Science Guy and that I didn't see that. That is you the best skit ever? If you haven't seen it first of all, oh. Oh, first of all, Del Taco. No Del Taco. You like that? It was so hilarious. Jen and I my wife Jen and I were almost pacing ourselves seriously.

Like you're like a purpose.

Cache and they just make them say it over and over and over again. It's all identical. It does Cornholio did not

like oh, that was so freaking funny. I almost died. And the Marian ketchup. I thought you'd appreciate

I didn't like that one either. Oh, yeah.

You know about Mary and Katie. Yes. I

thought it was like oh, wow, they're referencing something in our industry. Yeah.

Anyway. Obviously I like Undercover Boss. Everybody likes undercover.

You have to watch the Science Guy. That's yeah, that was that was you?

I have no idea and see it. Anyway, that's the fun fact about Anastasia for the day is that she will not watch a YouTube version of the Saturday but what about medieval times?

I didn't really like that one. I mean,

did you like of course because it was ridiculous. You just don't like the cold open? Yeah, like the cold open you know anything with Kate McKinnon anyway? And Jon Lovitz Yeah, I

didn't Yeah, you didn't do so good.

He's John love it's the whole idea of John but it's not cooking stuff so if you're not into like old Sarah alive you might not have been talking about the whole idea of Jon Lovitz is the man does not give a crap. He's the guy that like says inappropriate things that people's funerals, like in the real life, the man just doesn't give a rat's behind. And all comedians love him. John lovers Anyway,

before we get into food, Devin wants to know he asks Anastasia in particular how Claire's Career Clarity success team is

going, okay? It is going well and Dave, she will not come. She will not come on the show. I really want her to come on the show and I want you guys to patch things up. Because

how, how am I going to patch things up? This is classic Anastasia, you organizes rail organizes, organizes a situation where she can use other people to be on her friends. And then like somehow blames me you organize the whole thing.

Anyway, I would like for her to come on and I want you guys to patch it up. There's no patch and to be done her career. Coaching is going well and if you want to join her thing I don't know

what would we so Claire Are you know for those of you that are with that kind of call dag so Claire Claire for those of you that don't know, she's the Jedi queen. She

best friend. She's

the what's it called? The wedding planner. She has a great officiant yeah wedding officiant anyway, so like, I don't even understand what it would mean to patch it up. Just be nice. I just want you guys I don't ever see her the one time I did try to see her I tried to hook her up on a date Dave don't Anyway, like I never seen her I don't know if anything I have to patch up. It's like in order to patch something up there needs to be a hole in something.

Install hole right now.

There's there's, there's no there's no like there's no edges of a hole to which to apply a patch. Okay, I think it'd be so nice.

We're gonna have Claire on. It's gonna be nice. That's all. Oh, my brother wants you to answer his question to the first of

all. The Joey Joey Lopez. Lovejoy Lopez. Byli. Good guy. The Stasi. Lopez likes to make fun of her family and friends. But for those of you that don't know, Joey Lopez, good. Nice guy. Good guy. Yeah. He had a question which I have here. It's near the top because it was from last week. Do you have any recommendation for the best indoor grill that won't smoke up the apartment? Last time we grilled outdoors. It was a Big Cottonwood bloom and the smoke was going everywhere. Thanks Julie Lopez. Now I don't quite understand. So Connie was talking about on his balcony. Yeah, Cottonwood, for those of you that don't know, cottonwood it's this tree. Very. I believe it's in the thick it's in the Aspen family anyway, it's got like twittery leaves that are like kind of little diamond. Not diamond. But what's that shape? Spade Yeah, kind of shape leaves. And I was making a shape with my hands people. And then at certain times a year they release these tufts of garbage. And then your entire the entire air is full of these tufts of garbage hence cottonwood trees. But I don't quite understand. Like, how is he having a recent like it was just like last spring used to be like, Yeah, okay, because it's not anywhere near cottonwood time now. And was he worried that he was going to light all these cottonwood things on fire? And then they were going to? I don't know, I don't know that that's a problem. I've never stood out in a massive amount of Cottonwood with a torch and tried to see whether I can like, you know, incendiary my whole neighborhood by the way. Why is it that people aren't worried about those paper lanterns that you light up in fire and they fly flaming

to my neighbor's house in Connecticut? What happened to your neighbor's freaked out?

But did you say it with someone else? No. She saw me. Whenever I see them. I buy them for you. Because I know you love them. But like why do people not freak out about them? Apparently your neighbor does apparently

they do if they come into their house on fire in but

also I would like to know because I've never been able to do it. How you get a permit for slash don't worry about controlled burns on your property. You know what I'm saying? Like, I understand like making a mount of leaves creating a giant fire break. But people who have like large amounts of property to do controlled burns in their forest. How the hell do you do that? Like how the hell do you get permission to light a fire like that? How does that work? I don't think it works in New York. I don't think you can do that crap. Anyway,

I don't know. Also, the inciting incident. Remember, though, like the Bundys the guys who took over that thing in our own Oregon, the government land in Oregon, that was the inciting incident was they were doing a controlled burn and the feds came down on them and

saying it wasn't a controlled burn. Well, no,

it wasn't a permitted burn.

So which gummies are these? Not the murder is Ted Bundy, a different group of Bundys? Not the Bundys for married with children.

These were the ones who made headlines when they took over some state land in Oregon and got a bunch of guys with guns together.

Oh, yeah. Well, you know what you should probably shouldn't do burn anything on state land.

Explain how we got to the Houdini house.

No, that's too dark. Let's do it. You do it?

Because somebody at the Houdini party was like So how did you come up with this party?

Well, we were gonna try to get the ranch where the Manson family lived. But it was a two JARC and B doesn't exist anymore because it burned out. And then what did we move to? Something else horrible. Something else? Like he's like, we're gonna do a party and Jared Leto his house. I'm like, Why? Because that's where they did all of the editing for the nuclear war films. Too dark

we're gonna turn it into a moped fundraiser. And basically and then Dave was like, so that's why we're here and the prison was like,

wow, I gotta go get a drink

I gotta go anyone got past apps? I'm just gonna go

this little kid here there's other stuff to do here right? Goodbye. That's pretty much what happened. You want I mean, like, if you if you want to like one of the more fun things to do is to try to like work real hard, set something up and then just sit there stand there dead face talking to the people you've invited to your party. and just scaring them the hell away from you. They're like, I just never want you only times people. I just never want to see those people again. That's what they say. The dumpster Oh my god.

I'm party went to like 2am or something right

now something like that. You got to wake up some bullshit upstairs. Yeah, that's life people.

I'm telling you anyone that thinks that we've made it or we're making lots

of money one out there for anyone out there who's in there like you know lower 20s And you're the kind of person that likes to, you know, work with your hands or like, let's say you're in a band, and you have like all your equipment, and you're hauling it around and you're like, someday, someone else will haul my equipment out there. Yeah, nope, not there. It's never gonna happen. Listen, if you like working with your hands, and you like making things, your hosts pretty much your hose. A pencil pushing job

when I woke you up in the morning? What did you did do pigs?

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. shoni change, scrub the film off the teeth and go. Wait, so there's no barbecue for my brother. So there is no good indoor grill because fundamentally, the problem of smoke indoors is an actually we have a hood problem, you know, to get to later, but it's just, it's the primary thing. So for instance, even like a sizzle is not going to, it's gonna make a lot of smoke. It just doesn't make the smoke before and after the way that like a cast iron pan would. But there's just very little way to do high temperature work. Without smoke. The it is possible. I don't know whether I ever talked about it on on air. But where there is where there is smoke, there is low temperature fire, right. So fundamentally, smoke is uncon Busted Stuff. If you had a hot enough thing, you could probably re combust the smoke. So for those of you that have ever roasted coffee produces an unbelievable amount of choking kind of, you know, smoke. But if you take a high powered torch, for instance, that Bernzomatic ts 1000 And you light that torch in front of the opening where the smoke is coming out, you can burn all that smoke clean, right? So it's possible to build like a catalytic smoke burner. And some coffee roasters have like a little afterburner catalytic or either not really catalytic, but an afterburner, where it's burning the smoke to make it clear, so it's not choking everything up. And theoretically, I guess it would be possible to do that for a grill as well. But I just don't know how much heat input you'd need to be able to reburn your smoke and might be more than the amount of heat needed to actually grow the things you'd be doubling the heat output. But it might be physically possible. I don't know. On this note, I can talk about it. Because because we have the patent this assay it ain't nobody can rip us off. I started work. This is not the product that Anastasia and I were talking about. I said it's gonna take forever. Oh, geez, if you wanted to be on an unpleasant telephone call.

It was unpleasant for many reasons. It was so unpleasant.

First of all, like we couldn't get through and the Stasi was at a club, and she wouldn't leave the club. Because she was I'm not gonna say show. She would not leave the club, even though she knew that she had to be on this telephone call. And then she kept like her face must have been sweaty because it kept D muting the frickin phone. Yeah, people you don't tell you about your face is sweaty D mutes the phone. So like it would D mute and I'd be like, Oh, God, mute your phone like that. You know what I mean? And she was because like we were, we were already having an intensely unpleasant conversation about the people at the factory in China, basically saying that the next product that we're going to make is not going to be available until March 2021.

Now we were supposed to be happy before that.

I know I'm hosed. I'm real hose and hose real hard. Anyway, this is not that product. So we're not even going to be announcing it probably until January of 2021 for a march launch, but we hope it's going to be big. We hope the economy has tanked because we need all of you guys to have a little bit of cash to buy this product. Am I right? But you're gonna love it. If you don't love it. I can't imagine that anyone that listens to this program is not going to love that product. Right? Yeah. But anyway, on a separate note, and write it and see how much you'd pay for this thing I'm going to talk about which I can't talk about on there. We're working on the sizzle VA the kind of Infinity War of broilers, right? So it's eight times as much energy as goes in to a sizzle. It's over why actually a little less than eight times it's gonna be 100,000 BTUs 100,000 BTUs the power of the sun on your porch, but the problem is, I don't think I can make it available for indoor use. I think it's just too much power for indoor use just for just for kind of randomly so like a commercial stove. If you take all like all, like four to six burners and the salamander is about the same amount, it's about five times more powerful than a regular gas salamander burner and about the same size. So crazy, but I think it's going to have to be out there only, I don't know. But the question is, how much and it's going to be boiler style. And it'll have like a probably a timer ignition. So you'll click it on, and it'll only stay on for 15 minutes and then turn off or you could, you know, up the timer a little bit, but just because it's not, you shouldn't leave 100,000 BTUs burner on that long. You know, I'm saying, anyway, how much by the way, for those of you that use it as Sears all like, one of the things about Sears is you have to keep moving it around because it's small. But if you have that much power in a large format, so the burner area is about 200 millimeters by 400 millimeters. The question is, I have to experiment with it might be too powerful. It might just be too powerful. I don't know. But tweet on to us or call on and if you have any interest

powerful is Elon Musk's lender,

well flame Thor's. See here's the other thing people talk about really a lot about power. It's called not a flame thrower, because the word flame thrower has legal connotations to it. And you don't want flame throwers like a really disgusting I'm going to the battlefield where flame fillers were first used in a couple of weeks in Belgium. It was a horrible war World War One all wars horrible, but like World War One was an intensely bad war. But if you can imagine you brought up flame throwers, if you can imagine I'm trying to imagine a worse way, then someone painting you with a burning petroleum product that you can't wipe off and that doesn't go out and you go underwater, I can't think of a worse way to go. You know what I mean? Anyway, I mean, I'm sure there are words. I mean, I've caught on fire. I mean, I know what it's like to be on fire anyway. The it's not, it's not fun, but it doesn't, it didn't really hurt at the time. But that's because I didn't burn long enough to die, I just burned long enough to get third degree burns, I'm sure that if I had stayed on fire longer, it would have hurt while it was happening at the time, it's just too much adrenaline. But in every movie I've seen where people are burning the debt, they're screaming, so I don't know whether they're screaming because they're freaked out or whether they're in immense pain. I don't know. But all I know is that I wasn't in pain until afterwards, when I caught on fire or I can't remember the pain. Anyway, I remember the pain afterwards. So a flame thrower, when you're talking about the whole point of a, when you're measuring keep BTUs that's just a measure of how much energy you're using in a flame thrower, you're throwing that energy for a long distance and nine tenths of it's wasted. Right. So the thing with a with a series all is that it's supposed to concentrate and make the actual heat useful, instead of spraying it out in all directions, which is why it's extremely lightweight and has the insulation on the inside. So it's trying to take most of the energy instead of radiating it backwards radiate it forwards. That's the that's the idea. And this new design is I'm trying to take advantage of some of the spillover from the edges of it to kind of bring it back into the middle to try to get all of that energy inside of the face of the of the Sears all v eight the Infinity War of boilers and try to make anyway maybe two panels I don't know might be too powerful. I don't even know what I can make an indoor version of it. But like, I don't know, see whether there's any interest out there and cooking issues land for this sort of thing. So I don't know of an indoor solution for you, Joey I'm sorry, Moses stuff inside. It's just just just not good. Just terrible. Just bad. I mean, get a serious old Joker. Yes, you

can Seuss or Joker.

Why does it say Joey Lopez and then Pina as Oh, because I was reading pina colada about somebody else's question. Should we answer that question?

No, go to the next one. Oh, Steve.

So do you remember his Can we call up 500 is the greatest poem. It was the greatest accidental poem I've ever been written. That was written to us by Steven. Yeah. And he caught me when he wrote this question in from Los Angeles. Not really a question is more of a statement. He said, Steve, you and fish poet from Los Angeles. Regarding wine Santa, despite Dave's Pooh poohing I believe your wine Santa's projects, I believe in your wine, Santa's projects and made one of my own for a Christmas party. Which by the way, I know you don't like other people making their own about it

makes me angry. But well, by the way, I

made you he's going to talk about the Oscars here but I made you a dog for wine Grammy. And we didn't do it this year. Is it because you don't care about the Grammys?

Um, I do but I don't Yeah, we didn't have a connection this year. Do you

still have the wind Grammy dog for if any of you are involved in the musical industry business and you desire to have an RCA dog? Well, it's the Grammy isn't the RCA dog on the Grammy isn't it doesn't know we maybe anyway, the RCA you know listening to the master thing. That dog we have a statue of that dog that we've reeled out ready for the wind tube, and it's gonna spit into the phonograph. Like, what's the bell of the edits of the Victrola phonograph that the dog is listening to? And that's going to be the wind Grammy. Yeah. It's going to be sick that

you said that Steve says, Wait, should I do Steve's poem?

Yeah, let's hear the poem. I can never get enough of it.

I had sushi from a chef who developed a technique for aging fish. I got to try some of this. And amberjack Kampachi.

I had sushi

from a chef who developed a technique for aging fish. I got to try some of this an amberjack Kampachi.

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Oh, all right. Well,

I would like to see Nastasia expand to get more mileage out of your mannequin. So how about doing a wine Oscar for award season? It only needs a $30 like a lycra suit stevia and fish poet and there's a there's a

I'll do that. I'll have a Grammy I mean an Oscar party.

But what the heck is the Oscar statue gonna spit on my face?

But yeah, I don't know.

We'll figure it out. All right. Caller you're on the air.

Oh, hey, this is Wes actually emailed me because I didn't know if I'd get him to call in. I was the guy who emailed about the vacuum chamber thing.

Oh, sure. Great. I looked at that. So go ahead. You want us to ask your question. You want me to read your question? Yeah,

well, so I can just ask it. Basically, I want to be able to like for spins all I want to be able to get some bubbles out of fruit, fruit purees first and also vacuum compressed things and vacuum fuse them and I don't really need the sealing function of a vacuum chamber plus is really expensive. And so I was just looking into some of these cheap Amazon things where they basically have a no name, generic rotary vane pump, and a pressure valve and a big pot that has a lid on it that you can depressurize and it's just seeing if that looks legit or not.

Yeah, okay. By the way, for those of you that don't know, I like what you wrote afterwards. You're like, I'm the shark and you capitalize it so that I would pronounce it properly. Sure. I forgot to mention that your sister doesn't eat oysters when you were doing her wedding. But you did the bottle comparing spreads and I enjoyed it. Oh yes, pictures of the wedding. I had to look at it later, I can't read and look far away because I wasn't reading glasses anymore. You know what I mean? Anyway, so what was sent to me was the ablaze which is like one of those random Amazon only brands ablaze, which is a terrible name for any sort of electric equipment. Right, you're gonna plug it in, you don't want it to catch on fire, you want your vacuum pump to catch on fire. But anyway, it's a stainless steel vacuum degassing chamber and three cubic feet per minute single stage pump, and it's a 1.5 gallon steel container. And then it goes for 155 bucks. So for those of you that don't know what these are kind of refrigeration vacuum pumps, oil based vacuum pumps, a little handle on them. And then there's a hose that goes to a plastic lid and on the plastic lid which you can see through on the plastic lid there's a kind of a rubber seal and then there's usually a stainless steel pot that fits on top of and then a series of ons and offs on the top and a gauge to measure the fact that there's vacuum and what they're sold for typically, is for people who are using resin like plastic resin or silicone resin to D gas it because when you're when you're casting plastics, plastic is like the plastic resin and the rubber resin is typically very thick. There's a lot of air bubbles that you get just by mixing it and they can spoil like spoil your casting tech, they will spoil your casting. Now there's two ways you can work around this one is by putting the resin in applying a vacuum that causes those bubbles to inflate. Therefore rise to the surface of this thick liquid and pop. And that's vacuumed guessing the other thing you can do in case this becomes casting issues, instead of cooking issues is you can take your resin and you can do both of these, you can take your resin, and after you pour it, you put the thing as it's curing under pressure at like 6070 psi. And when you put it under pressure in a pressure pot, the opposite of a vacuum, all the bubbles that are in it shrink down to a tiny size. And then once the resin sets, there's not enough pressure left in those bubbles to kind of hurt the product at all. And you can get very, very bubble free casting, in fact, more bubble free usually then you can get using a vacuum. When I'm back when I used to do more of this stuff, I did both because I had both a pressure a pressure vessel and a vacuum degasser. But that can be gassers were great. There's the issue here. And this is not a bad price. So for 155 bucks, you get a gallon and a half pot, and three cubic foot pump, that single stage pump. Now the the pump is kind of a weenie size, right. And so usually, in vacuum degassing you're just getting rid of gas, you're not getting rid of moisture, right? You're not like evaporating moisture off of it. And I've built many of these rigs myself over the years, many, many of these rigs over myself. And for the price, I think it's decent. So you could go and get on Amazon the same place, you could get a three, three gallon vacuum chamber similar to the one which is fundamentally a large round bain marie and a you know, you can use a pot, they're great, the issue you need to make sure is don't use something square, because typically square things will crush and don't use something that has too thin of a gauge of stainless or under the vacuum it'll crush. But you can get one for 99 bucks, a three gallon. And I would go for three gallon unless you really need the storage space because a lot of things are going to like inflate rather dramatically. And you don't want it to hit the lid. It's not so good. And then if you ever do use it for degassing of resins, you're going to want to stick the resin in a large bucket inside of your vacuum degassing chamber so that you don't get the resin in your on your stainless chamber because that's not what you're trying to do. The other thing you got to worry about the gauge on top is fundamentally useless by the way, because you're going to be sucking a much deeper vacuum than that gauge can ever measure measure. So I don't even know why they bother putting that gauge on it. It's just I guess to see whether you have any vacuum at all, is that on those cheap pumps, if you don't turn them off, and on in the right order, you can back siphon the vacuum oil, which you definitely don't want to do into your product. But it's got the two handles which which is fine. But for food applications, you can use that three CFM pump, but it's going to take a while to get there, it's just kind of small vacuum pumps are available for three, a three to four CFM, like the one that they're going to have is about 60 bucks. But a seven CFM, which is going to do it about twice as fast is 115 to $150. And the kind that I like the really hefty twelves. The FM's are like 199, if you really want to go totally, you know crazy on it for 250, you can get a dual stage pump. Now the problem with any of these pumps is you need to change the vacuum oil on them or keep them in good condition and they run rather hot. The nice thing about the one that you looked at online is it's got a filter so that as it warms up, the stuff that comes out of its muffler is gonna make it a little quieter, I hope but you don't want to filter it because you don't want a lot of that oil mist making it into your kitchen. And as the oil heats up with the liquid and the liquid boils out, it's going to create an oil mist and the more liquid that you're boiling out. The worst of the mist is and it's not pleasant to have that vacuum oil, volatile light and not vitalizing. But misting into your into your kitchen. But yeah, it'll work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool.

So I mean, what would I be, should I just make my own?

I was thinking about this. And, you know, it's not a bad price I if I if I was doing it, I would probably get a bigger vacuum pump. And just by the chamber that the by the three gallon chamber that the other person made. Three CFM is a little bit small, and it's going to be a small pump. But the seven CFM aren't appreciably bigger, physically bigger. I mean, they're a little bit bigger, but they're not a lot bigger. The problem with making your own is you got to like tap the thing, you got to get the seals, all right. And you know, it's it's nice to have something if somebody's made that it fits. The advantage of making your own is that I can put mine on any pot that I own because I made this seal like really wide. So it'll fit on almost any pot that I own, which is nice. But on the other hand, the visibility in mind isn't as good because I don't have as big of a clear spot because there's a larger area of seal. You don't I mean, but in terms of just cleanliness and ease of doing it. I don't think that's an unfair price. Cool. All right. Thanks. Michael, Chris wrote in I have a Kindle copy of liquid intelligence. And unfortunately, it's not possible for me to make out the details of the cocktail balance at a glance graphic. I liked the quantitative approach, Dave has outlined, is there any way to get a higher resolution copy this image electronically without also buying a hard copy of the book? Wow.

I mean, Dave only worked on that book for how many years? Not buy the book? Why would you do that?

I love he, he owns a Kindle copy. The real problem is, is that no one, no one who set up at Norton who did the Kindle thing, talk to me about it at all. They don't talk to the authors about what the Kindle book looks like. If someone buys the Kindle copy, they should be able to see the full, you know, resolution image. But I looked online, I even looked on the Amazon look inside of and I wasn't able to get that graphic up. I actually can't put it up online, because then I will be violating the Norton copyright, you know,

take a photo and post it on your Twitter.

I mean, I guess, but then it's not going to be any higher resolution. I mean, the data is there in the UK? What the answer. I mean, that's, maybe maybe Chris doesn't like having I mean, like, unlike me, maybe Chris doesn't like having a bunch of books around.

It's also a good separator for hot and cold foods. multipro. That is true.

Charlie wrote in and this goes to Joey's question, which by the way, the only use Anastasia has for nine out of 10 cooking books, but I've been told that mine is ideal. Just the right size for a casserole dish.

You really nailed it.

Do you know what I mean? It feels good. Well, and the Stasi was there and a lot of meetings with Maria, my editor. And so you know, we'd be looking at different sizes of books. And the staff would be like, too big. We'll sit flat in my token. Yeah, no idea was the Stasi or why do you care if my book will lie flat in your tote? Nevermind is just important. Believe me, believe me. I would like well, we could print it on this paper. too thick. What about this one? too thin. It's not too much heat transfer between the pages. Jesus as he has all these opinions about the dimensions of the book, it's crazy.

An eye for detail. Yeah, no.

Yeah, she she tried to go for a waterproof cover. But we couldn't afford it. So this way, she could just throw it in the dishwasher with the casserole thing. Charlie writes in Hey, there had a question about DIY in a hood vent. I'm living in an apartment with no ventilation. Feel. Yeah, man. It's that's why I've went ventilation crazy once I could, and doing a lot of high temperature and high volume cooking, usually ending up with a completely smoked out apartment. I have a window about five feet from my range. And I'm thinking about building some sort of a hood with a box fan, which by the way, but I want the word box. And as it can mean any size from well, the Stasi has a different problem with the word box van. Sure you're not. It's like what Booker says when Booker laughs and that's something he shouldn't and then says I was thinking about something else. Like, okay, box fan can mean anything down from like the little muffin fans up to like the big ones in your window, there tend to be not that powerful box. And anyway, a furnace filter, you don't want a furnace filter? Look. Okay, I'll finish the question. And some flexible HVAC tubing, I mainly need to figure out what hardware store piece I should use as a collector to go over the range. And I was wondering if y'all had any advice on how to do this relatively well and safely. Thanks, Charlie. Listen, there's two things you've asked and they are separate, there is how to do it well, and there's how to do it safely. These are two separate things. That the what I did back in the day, and it worked very well but was not safe was I bought two crappy Home Depot slash Lowe's Broan hoods, and I screw them together back to back. And then I just put them very, very close to the thing I was cooking on, and then put a straight pipe out my window. So that'll work. The issue is the problem with a filter, any sort of filter, furnace filter is a you're gonna throw grease up into that thing, occasionally have flames leaping up under stuff, it becomes a tremendous fire hazard. So for you to try to put, you know, a anything other than a stainless steel designed filter in the way to trap grease on the way out is going to cause problems. The other thing is, is that any sort of tubing is going to get grease in it. And it's also gonna become a fire hazard, which is why there's a lot of specifications about the fans and whatnot that are used in ventilation systems and why they have to vent a certain distance out of your window because at any second, going back to another section of our thing today, remember Matt, it always goes back. You become a flame thrower out of the side of your building right now. I'm presuming that you're not worried. about throwing a lot of, you know, oil vapor into your neighbor's although you should write but what what you want is the fewest amounts of turn in your pipe and the fewest amount you want the largest bore and the fewest amount of turns and you definitely don't want a pipe that has ridges in it you definitely don't want like flexible H vac piping that is has a bunch of ridges in it to capture grease because now you've just made your life more and more unsafe by capturing even more grease in those rigid things. So the most unsafe thing they did that worked okay was I took two of those crappy hoods bolted them together and just put them I forget how I joined them into a pipe and I just put a straight shot angled pipe directly out the window with one of those one of those what was this motion I'm making the flapper little flapper things on it that you know that you know it's like a doggy door yeah like a doggie door on the thing and then fired out they're loud as hell and when you stick them you know only a foot and a half foot and a half over a you know 60 I forget what it has 6070 80,000 beat to you deep fryer I ended up melting most of the internal components of the hood so I'm not gonna say it was safe but man it evacuated a professional fryer fine such that you couldn't smell it in the in the rest of the place. But it's not cold it's not safe it is cheap though and does work so what do you think man? What is a clear on the not safe? Yeah, you were clear on the knots clear on the Nazis