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Hello and welcome to cooking issues this is Dave Arnold Your host is coming to you live on the heritage Radio Network joined as usual witness stars here the hammer Lopez from Stamford Connecticut How you doing? Good. We got John Although John is doing the radio program and doing all of your Booker and DAX customer service related work from dairy and right now Darien Connecticut home of the first rest stop on I 95 and Connecticut how're you doing?

I'm doing well. Thank you

so what is there in Darien other than

Is it good? Is it good? Yeah.

Yeah. Like Like, like they you have like local fish like stripers and blues and whatnot. Yeah, it's really good. But is it as good as the stripers and blues that you will get just off of your porch?

Solo with no one here just by myself? No,

you know you gotta get in. Like I said, You got to get my stepfather. Like is the only person who is actually happier during the COVID time because still relishes his lack of interaction.

Yes, but he does. He has a wife so he can choose to not be alone.

And I'm not trolling you in the way that other people we should remain nameless. What I'm saying is that he would prefer always to fish alone. So fishing alone is something that

I can't kill them. I have

you mean Yeah. For those of you that don't know and I would say Matt how you doing got Matt in the in his Brooklyn booth broken booth right now at Rhode Island booth.

I am going back. Packing because it's for real this time.

You're packing for how long are you going?

Until my lease in Rhode Island is up and May.

Nice. Yeah.

Rhode Island and the Providence Plantations.

Yeah. Although she signed a decree or whatever, taking that part off,

who the governor of Rhode Island said that it's no longer Providence plant. Oh, because of the word plantation. Indeed. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. See, I don't keep track of the, of the smaller the news from the smallest state the oceans.

The new question is, what's the new like, Who else has a secret long, but slightly shorter than that state name, because somebody probably took the mantle now for longest.

Well, what Rhode Island needs to do is just add some other bull crap to their names. They maintain smallest state longest name.

That's as a citizen activist. When I moved there, I will. I will petition for something

you like. The only reason I moved here was because it was the smallest state with the biggest names. And I liked the Coen Brothers a lot. And that's the only reason I'm here. They live in New York in LA now. And you don't even have the longest name. I'm out. I'm out. You don't even have the corrupt mayor of Providence anymore. I don't even know if he still makes his pasta sauce like he used to. I mean, what's the dang point? You know what I mean? I have horrible news. He's

no, he's no longer with us. He died. Yeah. Recently, c&c A couple years ago.

Do you know who died recently? Very sad is Wilford Brimley. Who's that? Who has diabetes? diabeetus. I will Remley I've got diabeetus Oh, yes. You might know him from such classic movies as cocoon, or such things as looking like a like a bullfrog character in the real life and saying diabeetus like, yeah, he just, he's at something. So you know, he, you know, he? I'm not going to say he went before his time. I'm just gonna say it's always sad when somebody goes, and so now I have you know, the mayor of Providence and Wilford Brimley all in one. All in one. Megilla later on in the show, Anastasia tells me that we will have fu Bravo. Is that true? Or no? Yeah, he's what's the name of the guy from Sarnat life? The announcer

Yeah, the one that died or the new one. He's dead too. Yeah, yeah. God.

This is a rough day for Dave do you need should we should we give you a minute?

What's your favorite? What's

the favorite name that you like when he says

forte like that? A Love Will Forte. Chef Joanna says Don Pardo? Yeah, I'm part of part of her. Yeah. But anyway, like I always wished that Phil Bravo was on Saturday Night Live not so that I could be close to Saturday live the way to Stassi La Serna live but just like hear someone go, foo Bravo can be great when it doesn't sound good. Here's a great name. Like for those of you that don't know Phil Bravo friend of the show. No. Sometimes punching bag. I mean, not as good as Peter Kim at being like a show punching bag. Comes on once a year I feel Bravo does to do his his Grinch thing comes on occasionally to read things has you know, the great sonorous voice. So should I wait to make fun of him until he's on? I

feel bad. Wait making fun of him when he's nice. He just woke up so he's not going to be punchy. You know,

I don't listen. Listen, listen, for those of you that he's not lazy. He lives in California. Oh, well. I mean, okay, but he lives in California. So he's not just waking up New York time. He's just waking up California time

and things and might be in Palm Springs right now, actually.

But that is Palm Springs, California. I

know. I'm just saying.

You're like it's not really California. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Have you been to Palm Springs? Have you been on that? On that tram? No. You've never been to Palm Springs. Nope. You grew up in LA. You've never been to Palm Springs.

My parents are like, where? Why? We're not going there.

I mean, like you never passed by Joshua Tree or anything.

I mean, like passed by.

I literally passed by your parents house on the way to Joshua Tree through Palm Springs. And he lifts

up, right? Yeah. So

if you should go. They have like a really cool trip. None of you taking this tram? No, I don't even know about the tram. So there's a state park at the top of the mountain where Palm Springs is it's really kind of a nice nice State Park. It's like cool, right? And that's on top of mountain and you know, so it's not as as as piss hot as it is down there in Palm Springs proper. But you you you take this tram and it goes all the way up there. A mountain but the cool thing about the tram is it rotates. So there's no bad seat in the tram as you go up this mountain. So like DAX and Jen, were like, Oh, this is awesome. This is amazing rotating tram you're going around. It's really cool. You're going from this pice hot place because we were there in the dead of summer up to where it's like really nice in the mountains. And I spent the entire time like at the very center of the rotating trim, like with my head in facing straight down so that I wouldn't have to see anything. I was the exact opposite because I'm definitely afraid of heights. Definitely afraid of heights. Anyway, I recommend you going next time you're in Covina going to the Palm Springs tram, I took it once as a small child with my crazy now dead grandparents another case of dead people. And that was when I learned that teddy bear Troya are not to be trifled with, right they are the Wu Tang Clan of like small cactuses, like you think as a small child, I can kick that choice which is spelled challah but you like I think I can kick that Choya and that sucker. I was there because my my grandmother was doing some sort of like Job's Daughters slash Masonic you know hoo ha bull crap in like the late 70s and I was in my I was a small tiny child with a but part like I had a real but part superstrate hair long but part giant photo gray glasses, little bit on the chubby side, like like polyester blue blazer, like cut a little bit boxy and a little bit long and ill fitting pants Can you picture this Anastasia? Yeah, can you see the pictures right? Also like pre braces. So like my teeth, like they may have a gap now but they were like level or blinds back in the day. And like a real real some real buck tooth action going on. I mean, I had it. I had it as we say going on. And so I had my finest dress loafers on to go to my grandparents things right before the tram. And I was like, That's a stupid looking cactus and I kick the Choya and those needles went through my shoe and embedded through my shoe through my sock into my foot. And I spent like the rest of that whole morning trying to figure out how to extract Choya needles from your from

the one that grows outside of Jeff and Diane's the little

No, those are openntf those are those are prickly pear cactus. The choices are the ones that like look a little bit fuzzy and look like a bunch of little nodules they look almost like a giant yeast cell sometimes they look kind of branch but they have like little spiky balls. And like the the we used to call this one that I don't know what the real name is. There's teddy bear Troy it sounds friendly is not there's what they call jumping Choya because like the rumor is that those balls will jump out and get you that's how aggressive they are. If you get anywhere near them the needles will like embed stick in you and then they'll roll onto you and like really take you down but do not mess with choices. But do go to Palm Springs and go up in that in that tram. Not a cooking related thing though.

That sounds like a recipe for motion sickness.

A well so like are you also afraid of heights Matt?

No, I wasn't I was younger. But now

the thing about trams and people who are afraid of heights is is that if you close your eyes and just understand that you're petrified do my classic of trying to pretend that you're dead so that you can kind of ignore like life and your fear and the sweat. Remember your sweat people smells so much worse than regular sweat. Like like running around sweat is like almost like pleasant compared to fierce

you know, a lot of has a lot of info on that. That's so fascinating as Mickey's new book that hasn't come out yet but sweat Are you ready to well he when he and I went out he told me about the sweat chapter and it's freaking fascinating.

Yeah, different different ethnicities of people have different like sweats. He also sent me a paper on fear sweat, which maybe I can share with I can share with you guys. I don't I don't have it in my head enough to like, recite the results verbatim now but in terms of like, I mean, I guess these semi cooking related since all of us sweat are freaking chonies through and we're working in a real kitchen. You know what I mean? So sweat and no one wants someone to sweat into their food. Right? I had this discussion the other day. Like, what are your thoughts on the whole? Because there's hope like, as people sweating into the food as they're cooking, it's horrifying when you see it, right. Anyway, we could talk about it. But what were you saying about McGee's book and so just bringing it up,

I I don't have the information in my head as well as he could explain it either. But it's fascinating

since he has finished his book. You think we should ask him to come on? I think people would enjoy having the McGee back on the on the air. Yeah, we can discuss so we can solely discuss sweat related. Yes, it can be a sweaty cookie issues.

It's perfect for an August episode. Yeah.

So for those of you that know, don't know, McGee's new book, as Anastasia says is about smells. But a lot of the interesting stuff in the book is how different smells relate. So how like, sweat smells, or sex smells can be similar to certain foods, smells, etc, etc. It's not actually a food book. It's literally a book about smells, and all of the all of the kind of attendant molecules like I could see, like a lot of people do science like science classes using on food and cooking. I can see someone doing like an organic chemistry class for non chemistry or non premed people and using this and Ariel's

book, she when she was here, she showed me she's doing flavor and smells and stuff. And she's she's water coloring her own all the photos in the book. Just really

cool. Well, she hasn't shared that with me nanny nanny, I would love to we should have erielle on two. We shouldn't have shared the one separately. Yeah. Like they shouldn't be like stealing each other's thunder. Right? We gotta have one separately. Yeah. But

let's get to the first order to get it out of the way Dave?

Which have, oh, yeah. But before we do that, I mean, finish fear of heights. So I would like some advice from people. So for those of you that know, Nastasia is convinced, true or false? That if something were to happen in my family life such that, you know, like, I don't know, they left me or whatever, then I would become the Leatherman I would become an itinerant, like Walker, I would just be walking around eating scraps out of people's trash cans, and like you would

but the other thing is, you would take the same route, which would allow you to see Jen's family. Me, you know, so you it works my parents.

Exactly. Yeah. Because they're on that loop. Yep. It's between the Hudson River and the Connecticut River between the Long Island Sound and as far north as like where Middletown, Connecticut is. So if you guys are familiar with our little section of the East Coast of the United States, that little loop is the Leatherman loop. And so yeah, you know, like, but okay, so every 10, every five to 10 years, I decide to start thinking I do this again, but I got to find out when I'm going to do it. I would like to do either the Appalachian Trail or the Pacific Crest Trail, what do you think I would do one of those of you, but it's it's so long, how long is there 2000 miles a piece?

How many days? its entirety? It's like half a year for people to do that hike? Yeah,

well, the real question is, you don't have to do it all in one shot. You can do like chunks of it. But the real question is, like you can like it's still considered what they say a thru hike if you do it. Like if you do like, you know, a third of the hike, take a break a third of the hike take as long as you complete the whole trail in a year they considered a thru hike. That's the the thing of a

wall, but there's some pretty restrictive timing issues. You can't go up Mount Katahdin at the end, too late in the season, it'll just be closed. I mean, like, you can't start. There's a limit to how early you start and how late you end.

Yeah, so the the power move is to is to do the like the the midway up and then do a southbound later, you know what I'm saying?

Wow, okay, I didn't realize that or

to do a reverse. So the problem is, is that people start the Appalachian sorry guys Appalachian Trail so the East Coast United States, there's a 2000 and change mile trail that runs from Georgia to Maine. And it sounds puny because we don't have any mountains here. But in the East Coast compared to that what they have over there in the Sierras, which is where the Pacific Crest Trail is, but what they make up for not having heights they have a massive amounts of elevation change. So like hiking, the whole Appalachian Trail is like going up and down Mount Everest, like some unbelievable number of times. It's crazy. There's a lot of elevation change, even though no particular No,

you know what I learned? So I watched them at the beginning of quarantine. This is partially why I stopped eating meat. But there was this one documentary called like, I don't remember life changers or something, but it was all about vegetable plant based diets and the guy got on the did the Appalachian Trail in record time. And he and he thinks that is because of his plant based diet.

Or is it that okay,

yeah, I know you would dispute review.

I mean, do you think that Brady is like one of the great quarterbacks because he doesn't eat tomatoes.

It's not about the tomatoes, Dave. It's about the Oh, and Phil Bravo's By now so let's not get into football because this is going to be a thing and that we don't need that.

Yeah, we only have football

we only have so much time. It's filled Bravo still the commission fantasy football.

I don't know if fantasy football is still on. I guess it's the perfect sport for this type of pandemic. It's a fantasy.

It's truly fantasy football. They're imagining all the Galle

unmute your microphone. There you go.

I'm very unmuted fantasy fail. Because it's not football season it's baseball season and yes, fantasy baseball has started

What's this new I hear there's hear from Don Lee my partner at existing conditions that there's some sort of new fantasy baseball thing online where you pick random teams and then random games are like theoretically played in some sort of alternative Lovecraft universe. Have you heard of this field?

Alternative games? No. I mean, I think it's just fantasy baseball. I think they're doing like a daily thing these days. But that is just a scam people out of money.

Can't really understand what you're talking about. Are you do do fantasy baseball. Are you also a commission that are you the Bartlett Giamatti of fantasy baseball? Well, I

am I am only Bartlett Giamatti the commish. And only in football and baseball. I am just a lowly team. Sorry, that wasn't great payoff there. But yeah, just Yeah, team owner. Yes, I manage my that aren't Marlins because all of the Marlins are infected with COVID. Oh, like for real? Are you serious? You don't know. Man. You guys don't follow sports. So

I don't do not to get on this day.

Well, here we are. Go for it. Phil. Tell us your best field probably. Yes, please.

Yes. All right. So the Marlins

like a sports center thing 17 players

who have been players and

coaches they say 17 players again this sounded real good

17 players and then but then it just happened with the Cardinals. Baseball is nonsense this year they set this thing up terribly okay.

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The Stasi and I believe that you first of all, for those of you that don't know Phil Bravo. One of the things that he has done I don't know if you're still doing it is teach small children how to play crappy instruments.

Right? And quality instruments, but generally crappy ones.

Yeah. And as everyone knows the crappiest instrument of all time is the recorder. Right? Sounds bad on a good day both too hard. And it sounds like dying animals. It's a it's a garbage instrument. Right or wrong?

I mean, it depends. I mean, like, you have a lot of wonderful people in Amsterdam listening right now who would disagree and they love some Baroque music.

Okay. Most famous record us like it was the yo yo mob the recorder.

I can't remember where there's this girl whose name I can't remember that is like a recorder virtuoso. She's like 25 and just is insane. I can't remember her name. And then there's this guy.

But can she still only get one note out of that thing at a time? Because it still lacked nice overtones.

It I mean, yeah, it does. It doesn't really have I think there's overtones in there. I don't know. I didn't really prepare for this. I can I can try and get a I can try and get a PowerPoint deck ready for you?

Did ACDC ever use a recorder? No.

I mean, if they didn't, they're missing out is the main thing. They've used bagpipes. They have used bagpipes.

Yeah, I love a bagpipe fish. Oh, tell

you hobby.

Yeah, yeah. Wait, let me ask you this. Mr. Garcia. If you are are a professional Recordist a recorder teacher. What would be the only the only lateral instrument move you can make in terms of instrument quality the only one

we had said triangle there

yeah yeah but then the your Min Jung said that triangle train the triangular list is actually respected in an orchestra. Why? I don't know. Right? Yeah. Phil Do you know why?

Just because they're a percussionist and also that everyone can hear what they do you mess up people everybody hear back Stan violinist? You could bunch of new things.

Alright, so stars, what's the only lateral other than triangle?

ukulele? Oh,

ukulele, the Stasi show you're doing? This is like literally the only skill that I worked on in quarantine? No,

I told Dave. And then he was like, Are you kidding me? Yeah.

Alright. So So is it because you have a deep voice and you want to cover Tiny Tim songs?

Well, it's so complicated. There's a lot of strings on that ukulele. There's only four I'm not a smart mandate.

Here's the other thing, people in case you don't know. Ukulele is one of is of the two open chord instruments I can think of the lesser by far it's no banjo. You know what I mean? Like, the banjo is an open chord instrument. So like, I can pick it up and just slap at it like a monkey and it'll make a chord. But, you know, at least it's a banjo. And there's a whole technique of picking around it, you know, the ukulele? I mean, aren't you just holding your finger in a bar and going up and down the neck and strumming?

No, no, no. Dave, you're embarrassing yourself. Like you okay, like

you're playing lately and I'm embarrassing myself one of the one of the

one of the first people that I ever met in in the wild that actually listened to your show is it runs an orchestra program in Hawaii and is a bass player and like you gotta you gotta respect Hawaiian ukulele. I will say the way that the ukulele is generally played terrible on the ukulele itself. Awesome. me playing Yeah,

I'm not saying Right. Okay. Okay, that is a fair statement. Right? Like the Tiny Tim style open chords strumming ukulele if that's all banjo was also the banjo would be a joke. But clearly the banjo is a great instrument because of what people do with it. Right?

And because you're coming from Brooklyn, so you gotta love a banjo. It's required banjo and a xylophone.

xylophone. Now, what's the difference between a hammer dulcimer and a xylophone? Phil

the hammer dulcimer. There's a metal bar. I mean, you hit it. Yeah. Fair enough. I mean like

is that who that was, was that Yanni?

I don't think that Yanni Yanni would just be at the Acropolis, right. Do you like something inspirational.

I thought he Dulcie was he I thought he was one of those dosey doe people. Someone look up some Yanni live crapless. What?

saying no. He's a Greek keyboardist, composer and producer so keyboardist

keyboard keyboard.

I feel like talking to you about music is like a jack handy thing. It's like everything is like some kind of half fuzzy area and fuzzy version of reality. Right,

we wait who's Jack handy?

Good. You don't remember Jack Jack wrote for SNL. Oh, and yeah, thoughts and he also Emery Yeah,

AMC I say Phil's voice with what's Don Pardo foo bro.

Now what Miss Darcy and I believe that Phil Bravo needs to quit. First of all, Phil Bravo lives close enough to Los Angeles that he could actually do what we're about to say for a living. Not that you can't do this remotely anyway with a decent microphone. When are you going to quit teaching recorder and ukulele to small snot nose children and become like a voice professional? Yeah, give me some more feel Bravo.

I know I waited too long now everybody's just sitting at home so they're getting there. All of the all the people that would have been acting are now just voice acting. Like they flooded the market Dave

Yeah, but you still have the voice. It's true. It's true. You would never guess that you come from Florida.

Voice you should see the jean shorts I'm wearing.

Oh my goodness. Now I'm horrified. Now I can't even listen to you give me some give me something to wash away the jean shorts.

Are you in Palm Springs? Well,

I'm in Palm Springs right now. I am on my one. This is my this is how I'm spending my vacation. Dave talking to you.

Oh joy, Julie. So listen, why don't you read what you came on to read? So Phil Bravo had an experience with one of our with one of our Oh, before we get into this though Wes Hendrickson, listener went on the, what's it called? Twitter last week and rightly pointed this out. I just want to say, for those of you out there, that the antigen tests for COVID antigen tests, which is the normal point of care kind of tests that you can get are not accurate enough, especially in the absence of contact tracing to to allow you to forego social distancing measures. So just want to be clear, that we're not saying that, that kind of test is a valid, a valid test to have you stopped social distancing. Just want to not forget to say that before the show is that now Phil, what do you got for me?

That was that was the transition to me.

Oh, brand new transition.

Classic cooking issues.

Alright, so I'm gonna read an email that I received. And it was through my work email. So I apologize in advance if this isn't professional. So I'm going to names have been have been changed and altered to protect the innocent.

I'm saying Phil, is if you're going to do the voice acting got to speak into the mic. Are they waving in and out? Like you're like?

This is I have I even used my good quality phone microphone all for you, Dave. But I guess

your question, before you get into what you're saying, Do you think if let's say, let's say three people are doing a radio show on the regular, let's say it's called looking issues on the rare footage, radio network, right. And two of those people buy their own microphones. But one of the people refuses to buy their own microphone for so long. And the sound quality is so bad that the network buys and sends them a nice microphone on the network's dime. And the other two people get nothing. What are your thoughts on this?

Well, I guess if the if the first two just weren't confident enough in their self worth to demand the equipment that they rightfully deserve, you know, I guess that's on them. Dave

Yeah, but what if the third person didn't demand it? It's just the network got so pissed off and how bad that third person sounded that they sent her let's say her name. My Stasha Lopez. They sent her a nice microphone was saying

I think Stasi is a very clever person and she understood that eventually I would crack

exactly

what I would say is it sounds like that third person knows the way the game is played

that third group

by the way, we have not had one cooking related saying this entire time.

Yeah. Oh, I can. I made it. I made a terrible horchata ice cream that we can

talk Oh, just do it. Now. Let's do now rice or shadow or chufa nut

rice. So I thought I was being clever. Basically I found some recipe where it wants you to steep the cream with so basically you don't actually blend in the rice, almonds and cinnamon you steep the milk but I was like nah, that's going to be just lightly flavored. No one wants that noise. I'm going to use my new Vitamix and I am going to blend just the crap out of the rice of the cinnamon and I also didn't use Mexican cinnamon because I'm an even so I just use regular sticks cinnamon and now I have this this I haven't made the ice cream yet it's in the fridge just putting gave it is putting and it's because of the rice I'm guessing

it's a lot of starch you have in that my friend. Like how much rice per unit liquid that's a lots of lots of starch.

So basically it's like we've got two and a half cups of cream one and a half cup of milk. I usually do it to two cream one milk but it was i i was like it was just thick. It was like a viscous just kind of blob ish thing. But then it was basically a cup a little bit less than a cup of rice and a cup of real cup or a

rice cooker cup. Real Oh, okay.

I wish I was using so what I did is I looked up a recipe for horchata and like but I think that even those recipes assume a blender that's not going to like do its full like you know, dirty sinful business. It's going to like kind of like huge chunks that you can then save out but no, my Vitamix did its job and so I've just got like a wonderfully tasty very heavily cinnamon sludge.

Now you know that the Vita prep me In this business, I think at this point, you should just heat it and turn it into a pudding. You should just cook the starch out and have it be in pudding.

I think you should get the real nuts and not use the rice. Well, that's a whole different thing. What? Yeah,

you prefer that to the right. I

do. I do. I do.

Yes. I like the word Schufa nut.

But like what happens if I put it in the in the ice cream maker? Like wondering what's going to be wrong with it?

What kind of ice cream maker Do you have? It's probably a Hamilton Beach. I'm gonna guess. No.

Black and Decker. Wow. It is a it's a Kobe brand. It's a Kobe. But it's a lovely Gleeson art. It's my friend. So it might it might break it, but it's not mine.

So yeah, it's gonna be too thick. So like the the issue on motorized things is that one of the ways a lot of these things work is the judge how well they've been freezing by the kind of viscosity and when the motor stalls out, it knows it's done. And so that's why I'm asking I don't know how that particular unit does. But you're going to stall out your your dash or motor like much earlier because it's so thick. So it's it's just, if you're viscosity is like really, really wrong. It's just hard to get anything but the most powerful ice cream like commercial ice cream maker to get it to work, right. So you might want to like I say just heat this turn it into a pudding, right? Like cook the starch out right because you haven't cooked the starch out yet. Right now it's also chalk it's also chalky. It has the benefit of being chalky and putting in sludge like right alright, so

that would he did he gotta slow down for one second here just because like again, I teach the recorder cook the starch out explain to me

the heating. Yeah, but like doing a double boiler. It's kind of like a mother.

How does the starch come out? Like I like this is you get to speak to me like

yeah, Dave, you got how does the starch come out just by right now you have a

pile of of raw rice I do. Right? So if you heat it up close to the like boiling point of water then you know the starch will swell soften and cook in the way that like a cornmeal slurry slurry would and then when it cools back down, it'll turn into solid like a rock but at least it'll be cooked. So you don't I mean, solid as a rock. Yeah, nothing's changing it The thrill is still

solid as a rock

that's a great song. By the way.

This model is already paying dividends because I heard every bit also saying here

my background vocals

listen. Yeah,

it was worth it. Was that leftovers? Are you the only here Anastasia

and I arguing with each other on the air and by the way, we also do that in the real life off. It's strange the things that we like in common.

But we also know like I knew you were going there we we've done it many times. It's like a

hive mind issue.

A hive mind. That is alright. Okay, so any more cooking questions feel Bravo.

I think that made sense to me. I'm I'm moto when

you're when you're done. But listen, Phil Welcome to the land of Vita preps because vita mix I guess. You don't even call them Vita preps anymore, right? No, nobody calls it that. Just me. I'm the last sole survivor of the Vita prep. Back in the day. They used to make a model just for shafts. It was a Vitamix and they wrote vitae prep on it, but I think they stopped doing that. Like I don't know, 10 years ago or something. But you know, I don't I don't change anyway. Yeah, there's pretty sick instrument right? You love that thing.

I love that. Thanks so much. I make I make many a flower out of random things. Just like paper clips. And are you trolling?

No. Are you trolling? Listen to the show. He doesn't listen. Yeah, but

I'm sure you've complained about it to him now. Like we don't talk about work. Like I've just been relegated to work but just you know, cooking she just talked about you at work. What was that? She does talk about you at work for sure.

I am clear on that. It is one of the reasons I don't listen to the show. I don't Yeah, I feel like there's fiction version of me out in the world.

Flower is a trigger word for Anastasia she doesn't like to think about it or talk about it.

No, it's only because Phil everybody's making bread at home and people that make bread are usually a couple you know so it's

Pat's baking bread. He's not making bread I think it's mainly because yeah, cat is

it proof pad is another friend of anastasius friend of the show professional didgeridoo. Just, it's true. He's a pro fashional first of all, he plays many many instruments. What's the word for like a like a polyglot for instruments.

I think just polyglot for instruments.

Anyway, he plays a whole lot of instruments professionally. But what what Pat, pat has a really cool job in that there's a couple of things that all of the famous orchestras only know him as the only guy that plays it. So like, right or wrong when an orchestra was like, I need a didgeridoo they like and I know the only guy I know plays it is this Pat guy, and so they fly him out to do his didgeridoo. And then he goes home true or false?

Version, it's a version of the truth. So there was one concert with the didgeridoo, but it's generally he doesn't want to ocarina but he plays the saxophone. But here's the thing he had a bunch of gigs on.

Does he enjoy the melon ocarina? Man?

I believe that he I mean, how could you not Dave?

Smash Mouth on the melon based Ocarina is one of the better YouTubes you've never seen all star played on Ocarina is made from melons. No.

Oh, we've definitely talked about this on the show because I remember googling it after it's worth it.

I think yeah, I think Stasio probably rightly tuned us out there in this conversation, but this guy I think he makes like Ocarina is for people like Pat Posey but also makes them out of things like melons so that he can play Smash mouths all star on on the Mellanox community. It's classic. But am I right or wrong in that Pat Posey was in fact paid cash money to play didgeridoo for an orchestra and thus is a professional classic didgeridoo. Just

I believe that that that that is true. You see,

although I don't present the complete truth what I always say is the

truth. Yes, also, I feel like I feel like we need to do I have an ad in the making of just like, Do you have a melon but need it ocarina?

Yeah. Talk to this guy. I mean, this guy is like better than all of us at the YouTubes he has like 8 billion views. Because unlike Miss Darcy and I, he knows what people want. They don't want to hear people talking about like cooking and their friend. They want someone to take a melon. What used to be a watermelon, or a honeydew or a musk melon and all of a sudden now it plays Smash Mouth. That's what they want. Clearly.

I realize Do you have do you have a theme song for the for the show day?

I never looked. Yeah, it's it's a it's someone redid Amos Milburn's, vicious, vicious vodka. You know, cocktail blues legend Amos Milburn Reed did one of his things and that's our intro. Well, because Anastasia didn't like the kind of the screaming metal. Joel Gargano cooking issues go intro.

But depending on this dassia You'll have to pressure Pat and I into putting together an ocarina and recorder.

I love that but you guys can't get your crap together fast enough for some of the things I request.

I don't know if we berthing it for 10 years.

Sometime in the next 10 years would be good. Just yeah, trying to work it out.

Now listen, people I want you to write into the chat room or to whatever to the Stasi or to John like of the here are the instruments you can choose from you got your your saxophone your ocarina your didgeridoo, your recorder, your ukulele any combination of that that Phil Bravo slash Pat Posey team can can make if they choose to a theme song using those instruments. So doesn't he play doesn't have like a baritone sax? He goes, isn't he like a hired gun on Barry? Yeah, he

does a lot of Barry.

That's a sick instrument. The baritone sax is freaking sick.

And then Phil, you should sing. You should sing over it.

Like, I'll think about that one.

Phil Bravo. You are the bass trombone of human beings.

I feel like I don't know if that's a compliment as

well, the Stasi and I were bonding this earlier this week over our shared love of Sly and the Family. Oh, yeah. And Sly and the Family Stone has some sweet, I believe bass trombone parts. Wow. Wow. That's, that's awesome. Right? Isn't that it doesn't have bass trombone in some of those arrangements.

And now I'm gonna have to go and listen, I don't know what that is played on. I believe you. But you also you again, this is probably some fuzzy version of the truth.

As long as my version of the truth contains a bass trombone, I'm happy with it. All right, I

will I will get back to you. I'm going to do some research.

Now you do that. And meanwhile, why don't you do it? You came on to do Phil.

All right. And so we have an email entitled, odd question. Hello, Phil. I'm not sure if you remember meeting me at the Sistema USA conference in Detroit last year. Where we presented on sistema Toronto's social curriculum, which as an aside date was really impressive.

What the heck is sistema?

Oh, so that's what I actually do. So it's a it's a will do the short version. It is a approach to teaching music for young people that basically blends music education, with social justice with the idea that everyone should have access to high quality music education. That sounds great. That's great. Yeah, that's that's it's done Dave through recorders. Not now, you