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Hello, and welcome to cookie issues. This is Dave on your host of issues coming to you live sort of I mean, I'm sort of live I'm sort of in a mood. From the Lower East Side of Manhattan we got Anastasia Hannover Lopez joining us from an undisclosed location in Southern California. We got John from customer service, up in the great nutmeg state of Connecticut and Matt in his hidey hole booth in Rhode Island was that all accurate folks?

Started to do you move every like 24 hours as though you were a CIA agent or

I'm almost in my permanent place in a week.

We went you're almost at what a new place? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's uh, yeah, she's like,

my original place canceled on me like two days before I landed. So I've had to, you know, find

Yeah, which unbelievably is something that Airbnb is allows to happen.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. Because they're like, we find you in other places comparable. And when you're as picky as me it's like, no, also I booked it back in like late. Oh, yes. So

also like So Nikki, you want to bathroom inside? So picky. Indoor bathroom. Plumbing so picky. Yeah, your first place that they found it was comparable. Had you had to walk like a block? Yeah, yeah. Do you have toilet paper in the house? Was there water? They

really didn't know. It was really nice. It was nice.

So you weren't? You weren't pooping on coconut. But

I was in a canyon. So there's like owls hooting and coyotes doing their thing and

it sounds great. You know, Anastasia doesn't want when she's in the bathroom and coyotes. Coyotes poking their head up so

now so instead Oh, there was there was a shower in my place. So I just squat over the shower drain during.

Wow, that's a lot of information. A lot of information. Yeah. Yeah. So this is our Thanksgiving episode. That's Oh, give thanks for the year that is almost over. Let's give thanks. That this year is almost overnight it

will and

it will. But that's what I don't like. It's not like 2021 is going to be better. It's not like when you roll over to a new year, everyone's like, the year knows it's supposed to be better. It's just another day into a day.

But it just so happens that like, you know, a lot of things like are hopefully coming to a head. And when you're right, it's coincidental. So we shouldn't focus it around the year, right.

That's like how leaving in the horoscope Yeah,

yeah, yeah, you're right. You're 100% right. But like, listen, just don't take this away from me. Anastas he just

gotta give you 21 You can't take 2021 away from your right, what you didn't get meaningfully better by like, oh, January 21.

Political show you? Oh, it is Hey also says just because you're depressed because you've been in like isolation for like eight months doesn't change what we've been doing for 10 years.

It is political space. I'm happy about January 20. And I will never support Trump. And I want to make that very clear. You guys can say whatever you want. Of course, of course. But on my

show is not about that. Listen, okay, someone can cook something and be interested in like technical cooking, and like what we're doing, like, like, regardless of what they believe, outside of that fact. So like, there is no reason humans alienate people. What Okay,

well, what? rights, human rights and yeah,

and we and I'll say that all day, like certain things are not moral issues, right? Like it. Here's the thing. Like, I don't believe that the vast majority, the effect of what, like people who support Trump does is a lot of human rights abuse. But if you were to have a conversation with them, do they believe that people's rights should be abused? And that kids should be separated from their parents? They would say no, they would say no. So then the question is, how do you have a reasonable conversation with that person? Right? And it isn't by like, driving them off into their own echo chamber or retreating to your own echo chamber echo chamber, especially when we're here to talk about how to cook turkeys. That's all I'm saying.

All right, get into this year as well. Because let's get

the, you know, look, Amazon, who? Like, like, let me put it to you this way. Their hands are so far up our butts that when they're when they have to, like you know, it's their hand our mouths move. Let's just put it that way.

Their hands will be eating our turkey this Thanksgiving. Yeah, that's

right. That's right. Their puppet hands will be eating all of our turkey. Good news is we can eat a lot, because they'll just snarf it down because that's how far their hands up our our backsides. Now. Some person do you even know the name of this person? Can we call them out? No. Can we can we Daxing them? What?

It's a fake name.

All right. All right. It's Daxing is bad. I'm sorry. I said that. Yeah, it was. I'm sorry. You're like, angry mad. This guy. Can't you cut me some slack? I'm angry. Guys allowed to get angry. Yeah. And I already apologized. I'm even 30 seconds after I said it. I apologized. If I didn't know who this guy's name was though, I would play it so it says so it says so we've been selling this thing. Maybe you've heard of it. It's called a Sears all we've been selling it for what now? Six years? Anastasia? Something like this was on the Order of No, no, no, I was looking at the diet. I think it's like 2014 or something. All right. So we've been selling this thing. What do you attach it to Anastasia did blowtorch roto blowtorch, right? But the blowtorch has a big old flame on it. Right? I mean, it's a torch. Right? It's got a flame on it. Yeah. And so you would expect there to be some fire involved? Right? Yeah. I mean, it's not like it's not like a some sort of like, like torch not right. It's not like like a cap that you add to your torch that turns it into a paperweight. It's not a torch anymore, right? It's meant to, like, have flame in it. All right. So it's super clear. That's what we sell for a living and have sold right for six years. Right? And by the way, we as a company, are extremely safety conscious. We have spent so much money on our products to make them as safe as we can, considering that it's dangerous because it's fire. Right? But within that parameter, right, make it as safe as you can same with a centrifuge, right? We've lost so much money because we won't do projects that we don't think Safe etcetera, etcetera. Is that right or wrong stuff? Yeah. Right. So, you want to read the quote unquote complaint?

Oh, geez. Yeah. So last night I got a complaint that Amazon forwarded to me. And it hold on I forwarded to so many people that age. Okay is funky snow coming from the head unit wire mesh is already bubbling it stays on fire after the unit has been turned off. Almost dangerous actually that should be our Poem of the month for the newsletter.

Almost dangerous. We want to look. Can we have two poems for the month? Yeah. All right. Now listen. First of all, first of all I'm just thinking about the poem of the month now. Do you have Kampachi there I need to know I need to calm down. John, can you call up the newsletter and read it because I just need to be I need to be calm down. So as a result of his complaint, which I will go into in a second. Amazon unilaterally removed Sears hauls from Amazon. And then once it purchased, and they're the only ones that purchase them, they own them all. They removed them. But here's the fun part. The knockoffs the actual unsafe knockoffs that are being sold by people who are infringing our patent, can you still buy those Anastasia?

Oh, yes. Any iteration of the knockoff is available? Any Yeah. Oh,

yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And they also somehow preemptively also took the spins all as an offline even though we're out of stock because we're trying to get a factory to build more, we're more on that later. We just sent off the new model to China to for them to work on

the entire country when we say China, just China gets it right.

Our factory in China. We have one factory in China. So you know, sorry, I'm short handing our factory in China. But it is true. We have the entire country working on the problem so crazy that we can't get it done because the whole country is working nonstop on it. So they they send this thing they turned off the they turned off the sales of this billet but it's not like people buy things right after Thanksgiving. Right? So

it's like this lowest purchasing time in the year.

Also like, like they get this one like complaint, which who knows generated by a bot by like, you know, Russian troll farms or whatever. And not that I wish Russian troll farms cared about us. They don't. Speaking of Anastasia Are you familiar with the Ukrainian carved candle as part of your heritage with Did you grow up with those carved candles? Yeah, like color? Yeah. What do you think?

I thought they were pretty as a kid. I haven't seen one at one time. But that chance I

went it Jen and I my wife Jen and I went into a deep YouTube hole yesterday watching Ukrainian people carving in multicolored candles. And we were like, both ugly and awesome at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Like we kind of want them but like they take a long time to show up.

Isn't there a bunch of Ukrainian stuff in East Village?

I hadn't thought about that. That's true. But like if you go on Etsy, because this is an Etsy sort of thing. If you go on Etsy, there's all these people candles by URI. There's like literally candles by URI. And but it takes he like you order one, you tell him what colors you want. And then URI sits there and carves them. And he sends them to you in like six weeks, or it takes him like a week to make it and then like, you know, eight years to show up from the Ukraine. Anyway, he went with it. It's legit. It's not some sort of fake thing. It's legit. Yeah. star shaped and then cut with the things with the pedals and maybe get your mom to post a picture of the candles if she still has any. Burn them.

I don't think we ever burned it now.

Generally outside if we get them we're gonna burn them out and when you burn them, I think so. Yeah. The reason I mentioned is remind me candles later. There's all anyway. What? Sears Amazon. So yeah, so they took it off. So this person who we don't know we can't verify. Yeah, one person one

person emails Amazon and sends them this like, three sentence thing. Barely. And they like shut down our whole thing. I email them constantly for a million different things and they're like, you're just gonna have to wait.

Yeah, well, this is like the first day we ever were going to sell the Sears Oh, yeah. We added they like right on like Thanksgiving literally on Thanksgiving. Right before we were about to flip the switch. They flagged the word fire in our description because we updated his description. So they flagged it. And remember they took us off sale for like, like they took us off sale. So we had to do all of those original Black Friday sales on our own account because Amazon would no longer sell Do you remember that? Yep. Yeah, that cost us many 1000s of dollars. So these bots right so a bot not a human is probably responding to this. What that means is now a human has to look at it, and guess what the humans at Amazon don't care, care the humans at Amazon don't care at all. So only God knows when Sears AWS will be available again. But they're available on boon to table.com. There's not that many of them.

Literally, there's like a handful. So if you really want to see resolved for Christmas, you got to buy the gift box. Don't email me saying you don't want the gift box. You want to Sears all you gotta get the gift box.

You know, maybe it'll turn it back on. Who knows? Who knows. But anyway, so here's the complaint was makes a funky smell, John, what is the instruction manual safe?

To burn off the organic coating that's on the inside for two minutes by holding the Sears off screen parallel to the ground or whatever it is you're going to be searing and then burn it off for two minutes.

And what might happen during that time, smell.

Smell and a little bit of flame. Yeah. Yep.

And then then, so if you don't see it for the full two minutes, there's still organic binder in there. Which means if you turn it off, Hey, folks, what does the organic binder continue to do? For anyone? With with what kind of smell, Matt?

Oh, it's a funky smell funky smile.

Yeah, but the most frustrating thing about this whole thing is we don't even know if this person who complained is actually using our cereal purchased our cereal. So it may not have come with instructions because it came from another factory that copied us. And did you hear all of this? Here's

another thing. Here's another thing screen was quote unquote, bubbling. Now listen, folks, how do you even make a bubble on a fine wire mesh screen? I mean, it's not mozzarella on top of a pizza. It's not like a paint coating. It's It's It's made of a single material consol D which has a melting point of roughly 1300. C series all faiths never gets above 1000 C. So what this person is saying is physically impossible. What actually happens when your screen fails? Isn't melting. It's oxidation. All right. I'm just telling you like this has been we've been testing this for years and years and years and years and years. So the fact that this person said that the screen was bubbling, right, maybe they don't understand what a bubble is. Maybe like it's like I say it's not soup. It's not. It's not like oh, like, oh, I bought I brought my console screen to a rolling boil and it bubbled. You know what I mean? Like, what does that mean? If the person means that it bowed out a little bit? Well, it's a little thing called expansion due to temperature change, jerk. Anyway,

so they had you pegged at almost dangerous because this little does look almost dangerous to me. Well,

that's unhelpful, Matt.

Yeah, but like, there's fire involved.

There's fire involved. It's a known thing with the fire. It's like, and we go through all this stuff. It's like, if I sell you a knife, I'll be like, Yo, sharp. Yeah. You don't I mean, I'm selling you something to make your torch into a broiler. We're using flame. Yeah. uses fire is

still a torch

that says yeah, yeah. Unbelievable. humbling. So now, instead of working on what we should be working on, which is talking to you know, like reading all the questions you find folks have sent us about what to do for your presumably micro Thanksgivings. You know, we've been like gathering documents, trying to say that something that is used as an insulation in furnaces can't catch fire. I mean, it's like it's crazy. It's like, E. Or do you think anything else?

Luckily, Van Groff is in the chat with a question about this if you'd like or you could just ignore this one and go with something else?

No, not longtime, longtime follower.

What happens to all the inventory Amazon has? Have they even paid you for that yet?

Oh, interesting question. No. No, they have not.

Apparently, they're paying us on Thursday of this week like abortion. But what's Thursday, and what do you think is not going to happen?

Geez, Louise. Here's the thing, dude. like Amazon, Amazon has all these quote unquote, teams. None of these teams have telephone numbers because they don't want you to reach them. In fact, you don't even get a direct email line to these team teams teams. Most many of these teams are not in the United States. So they don't care about our standard holidays, but Believe you me, right? If they see that it is a standard holiday, they're like, well, they're not going to be waiting for the check because it's a holiday and our bank won't process it. Right, right. Yeah.

It's so it's well planned.

It's so well planned. It's so Yeah. Jeez, Louise.

We'll just reschedule this for December 25. Yeah.

Well, Anastasia is not like we don't need the money. Right? Yeah.

You want a quick question is not about this. Sure. 91 Alex asks, If you have any experience with the Vitamix e 310. Because he's got a chance to get it pretty cheap this week.

I'll look it up the Vitamix e 310. What are the things about it? Like what makes it better Max claims

it's just smaller. Also, in case it's good, what are some good things to do with a new Vitamix is the same motor doesn't specify.

First of all, like I'm a fan of dumb names, but check this out the Vitamix? Vitamix e 310. X Florian blender. What does Explorium mean?

Sounds like a power source on Star Trek.

Does it does kind of I'm looking at a picture of it. The question is really?

You know, two horsepower.

Yeah, I mean, what does that even? What does that really mean? Does it mean? Watts?

Let me put it to you this way. I mean, 1400 Watts, 1200 1400. Watts?

Yeah. So like a horsepower is I forget exactly 750 Something watts, right. That's what a horsepower is. So anytime someone sells you something that you're going to end plug into the wall, and they say that it's like, you know, 8 billion horsepower, like vacuum cleaners used to say this, like, ask yourself, how many amps? Can you really suck out the wall? How much power? Can you really suck out of the wall? And the answer is, out of a regular non dedicated plug, like most appliances, try to stay at 1500 watts or below. And, you know, which is about two horsepower. And certain things like induction burners can go up to like 1750, or 1800, but anything over that, and you're getting close to tripping circuits on the regular and so they don't like to do it. So if you were to just do a little math here, 120 volts, times assuming that we're working on 120 volt standard, and you're not calling it 115 or 125. And let's say you're in a 15 amp circuit, then the maximum possible wattage you could take out of that circuit would be 1800 Watts, and anything over than that anything larger than that would not be allowable in a standard non 20 amp dedicated plug, right. So unless invited Vita mixes vitae preps or whatever you gonna call them, they don't take standard, they don't take 20 amp dedicated plugs. Any of the higher amperage stuff requires a 20 amp dedicated plug and because you will, is going to force you to go 10% power over under right, they're not even going to allow you to probably get all the way to 1800 before they're going to start getting pissed off about blowing the 15 amps. All right. So that's like the maximum that's like about the maximum you can do is divide 1800 by 750, which is roughly what a horsepower is. And the magical answer is 2.4. So in reality, no one's actually going to suck more than 2.4 amps out of a wall. 2.4 horsepower out of a wall for a blender. Now vitae prep I forget the name of it I'll find it it you know someday Vita prep actually does a fairly decent job about not lying about their their blender power. I gotta give him that right as opposed to a lot of other people like, like all the stick blenders, that all lies, right, all complete lies. If you want to see how powerful a Vita prep can actually be. Don't blend water in it blend like like maple syrup, something real thick. That is the like, one of the hardest things it can blend because it's thin enough that your blades can engage but thick enough to give some real hardcore resistance, right. And once you get too much thicker, you have things like starch and you start cavitating out the blade start hitting air and the power actually goes down. So the Vita prep actually we'll put out quite a bit of power. I will just look at you know this the standard RPM I have not tested that particular blender, I'm sure I'm sure it's fine. I've been using the standard vitae prep for years. I don't have the three horsepower one, which again, obviously is a lie. It's not going to put out that for sustained periods of time. But that's my to say It's I don't know, but I tell you what, if you have standard countertops, the original Vitamix is a little bit too high. Right? So you have to you can't store it fully assembled under your counter. So if it's smaller, and that floats your boat, I think it's probably still going to be a good blender, but I've never used it so I can't personally recommend it. What? Good?

Good. Yeah.

Now, we said enough about how much Amazon is, is a pooping in our ice cream sundae. Don't Don't poop in my ice cream sundae and told me it's ice cream Amazon don't do it. You know what I mean? It's like and buy

from Ben the table. Yeah, by the three,

whatever. It's like, you know, you know, I just can't I just can't like for the number of times. We're just a small company. You're listening to the whole company. Say hello, company. Hello. That's us. Why shaft is so hard. You know what I'm saying? Speaking of companies having a tough time, everyone's having a tough time. But you familiar with the company Flying Tiger Anastasia? They have that store. They're out of Denmark. Yeah. No, Denmark, land of the land of the mic. We already talked about make meat burgers, right? Yep. Yeah. That was my brilliant idea. years ago. No one ever used it. I guess because no one wants to eat a mink burger. But anyway, so Denmark, the land of the COVID mink murder situation. Has this company called Flying Tiger. There's only 13 stores in the US they're closing them all even though apparently these stores are popular in Europe. unbeknownst to us, Jen goes there and we buy things like candles because you know Jen likes candles. This is why we went into the candle hole and stuff here. So they had a sale literally everything in the store is 50 cents for going out of business sale. So it was but they were only because their social distancing. Only 10 People are allowed in the store so it was an hour and a half wait to get into the store Anastasia. So what does that mean for me? I don't know if you know me a long time. What does that mean for me?

For you hour and a half's. I don't know, I really don't know Dave.

It means that as part of my Get out plan I had purchased a Kelty Tioga frame backpack which is by the way, frame backpacks like they may look dumb but they are freaking amazing. That's going to be on our love list in the in the newsletter. So this frame backpack which looks like you know like a 1980s backpackers dream with an external aluminum frame backpack. I went in there and I bought 55 pounds worth of candles in retrospect I wish I had bought 75 pounds because biking home with 55 pounds of candles on my back and the Kelty Tioga felt like nothing I could easily have done 75 I feel like I could have done like 8500 pounds where the candles in that thing. I stupidly bought a bunch of light stuff they're like you know art supplies for the kids and stuff like that. But the lady was like this is a lot of wax. How are you gonna get a hole it's like my problem that's my problem and got on the city bike and took their soccer home awesome. Love the Kelty so we have a lot of candles and that's what put us into candles does. Okay,

just astounded.

Yeah, yeah. But I figured she would have thought about that with me because she knows how like a I don't like to wait so if I do wait, I'm going to put a ridiculous amount of stuff and Anastasia also knows that if it can be placed on my back. It will go on my back.

Yes. frame backpack like the like an X skeleton type thing.

No, nothing that cool.

Like hiking backpack normally has a metal Yeah, that

sounds talking about.

Imagine a 70 year old man with a beard down to his crotch. And like in like a canvas hat with like a big smile on his face, like marching around in Birkenstocks and a mountain and the backpack that that guy is wearing is the one that I'm using.

So the brand is free.

Now the brands Tioga no sorry, the brand is CELT. Kelty you don't Kelty they make the baby backpacks. Like they in the 80s made the original like aluminum frame backpacks. Also like little note in the early early 1980s When framed backpacks became kind of cool like a like for hiking like the small very short very chubby super straight hair at the time. But parted like like right down the center of the head but part giant photo gray glasses that you know once the 19 early 1980s Like photo Grey's like they instantly turned dark and never went light again. That's how it worked. It's like they were they were clear exactly once. So that was me right? Like that ensemble was me. Giant buck teeth all crooked like level or blinds and this giant frame backpack wearing a you know a blazer right but because it was me it was all messy like all the other kids had, like, you know, all nicely like, you know, I don't know, they had like four or five different kinds of like school uniforms that they would wear. I had like the one blazer and like the pants, so that package with the frame backpack, walking a mile and a half, like back and forth to school. That is why I'm the way and today or I should say I haven't changed much.

Well, we talked about how we are the band that tunes our own bases onstage in front of everyone.

Yeah, yeah. Real bands like they hire like the roadie sits there and tunes their stuff off stage and hands a real instrument to the band. We're that one who asked to send me like I'm sorry. Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama Mama Mama in between songs. That's us. You know what I mean? And then you're like, it's good enough. Just go and then that whole sack song sounds off. You know what I mean? Because because, like, you know, I'm like, you know, a quarter tone off on the on my on my bass note. Anyway. Matt, you know what I'm talking about? Oh, I

know what you're talking about. It's pretty embarrassing when it takes you far too long to tune a four string like basically never goes out of tune instrument onstage live. But

my ear was never that good. Right. So like the guitar, the guitarist was that the guitarist was that guy that would be playing hear himself go slightly low while he was playing in the middle of the songs would just do the micro tune while he was playing without even stopping. Yeah, I don't know if you know this. I'm not that guy. Yeah,

I mean, while to make matters worse, I have this base that like would never go out to and so it was just anyone get that much practice. Really, really couldn't do it.

Yeah, well, you know, you know, and this was, I guess, some people we used to have there used to be really, really cool tuners back in the day that were in line tuners. So they would have a wheel that would rotate. And you could visually look because it worked. I forget exactly what somehow spin at the rate that your thing was, was working. And you could visually see while you're playing based on like some optical trick that the wheel was doing on stage, what your tuning was. Now I guess everyone just automatically has machines that tell them they can probably pitch bend it as you're playing to to make it not sound terrible, but good old days, good old days, this dasya we are going to be carrying our own gear till we die.

I hope not.

We are going to be carrying our own gear until we die. That's for sure.

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So this is obviously not a normal thanksgiving for most of us were cooking for me, the vast majority of us are cooking for much smaller groups than we ever had. So then that begs the question, well, what are you going to do? What are you going to do with all of the leftovers because there are a lot of leftovers. I think you should plan in advance for how you're going to deal with the leftovers and how you're going to deal with like the fridge overload one way is just to not cook as many things but for me anyway, there needs to be like there needs to be a minimum number of things for it to be Thanksgiving. Otherwise, just don't do it at all. You don't I'm saying Do you guys agree or disagree? Yeah, so it's like, Oh, my God, I thought this was because I'm only cooking for you know, the two kids and Jen. Like, I was like, Oh, we were we were not going to have any, you know, I don't have to make multiple, like dietary restriction things anyway, because, you know, there's just only there's four of us. But it turns out, I'm also making Thanksgiving dinner for the person who does security it that way because we found out that the guy who does security downstairs obviously someone has to be working on Thanksgiving, but then he doesn't even have his parents to go home to so we're gonna bring him down a plate socially distance of course, but of course he has some dietary restrictions so I still have to cope with dietary restrictions. Oh, yeah, not me. Me me me anyway. Are you guys still doing turkeys? Yep. Yeah, I'm doing a turkey. The smallest Turkey they had at my local Mark was 20 pounds though. I mean, I recommend doing a small Turkey if you're going to go small. If you're going to not do a full turkey I would say get the get the thigh leg and You know, take out, take out the bones and cook it that way. But if you're gonna do the whole turkey, I would do what I've been doing, which is cut out the back, right? Take out just the big interior bones use that to make a stock, right? Because then the smaller bird, it's not just that it's, it's not just that it's easier to carve and easier to cook, which it is. Once it's been boned out like that, but it's the stock is much easier to condense especially if you make it before Thanksgiving. No one wants to take their cooked turkey carcass and make a stock after Thanksgiving. Am I right, you're spent no, you're spent right. And then who has the time or who wants to sit there and hack a cooked turkey carcass up into chunks that are small enough to fit in your freezer and then she's going to mold her in your freezer, I highly recommend that you take the bones you make a like a like a quick pressure cooker stock beforehand, it's going to clearly a turkey makes more than enough stock for its own gravy. If you take the bones out, you then have gravy and if you have any extra you can save that it's much denser and easier to freeze. And then it's much easier at Thanksgiving time to take the turkey and cut it into pieces that can then be refrigerated slash frozen. Remember, if you're going to freeze, put them in Ziploc bags and get the air out of it. The way I do it on a Ziploc bag is I close it all the way down onto a straw. And I suck out the extra only deals with your family because obviously you're sucking on it with your with your mouth, suck on the straw. And then pinch your fingers around the straw at the last little bit, suck it and pull it out. And this will get you like a decent seal on things that you're not going to put liquids in right and freeze them flat. If you're going to wait for things to cool off before you put them in not just because it'll ruin your freezer to put warm things in. But because as they're cooling and freezing moisture will come to the surface of your products. And unless you've coded them in between and this is a good idea cost a little more. But getting a little freezer paper and putting that in between layers inside of your ziplocks will make it much easier to take individual pieces out to thaw. Try to keep your ziplocks under about an inch thick, and that will make the thawing a lot easier, right anytime you go bigger, it's gonna take a lot longer to thaw. Make sure you get freezer Ziploc bags. One of the reasons that people use aluminum foil when they're putting things in freezers is because the aluminum foil conforms very well to the outside of the product right and conforming to the outside of the product has the advantage that it prevents anytime error is there, you get crystallization re crystallization the outside of the product can get ruined problem with aluminum foil is is that then you can't see the product and so you're much less likely to use it which is why I always say if you wrap something in aluminum foil, just throw it away now, right? Whereas in Ziploc so you can kind of see what's going on but make sure you get a freezer one because it has a much better gas barrier oxygen barrier than regular saran wrap or regular plastic wrap. Okay, so I recommend the freezer ziplocks getting the air out of them so you don't get a lot of free crystallization keeping them within about an inch of thickness and the reason for that is just your your thought time. And this is why for something like mashed potatoes I don't recommend you freeze them in quart containers because it'll take forever if you're going to freeze your mashed potatoes which is a good idea put them into a gallon ziplock but put them all into the bottom right don't try to spread it and then put the bottom big plug of it down on your counter and slowly push the mashed potatoes towards the top to try to get the air out seal it once the air is gone. Flatten it into a flat pack label it and freeze it. What else bread products you should remember never to if you make Parker house rolls or equivalent which we're going to do, please remember don't refrigerate those things when they're done they're just gonna get ruined so either freeze them or eat them and try to eat things in reverse order of keeping stuffing keeps very well right so in the freezer so freezing stuffing the same way you freeze mashed potatoes is a good way and you know what, like as long as you eat it before the New Year nobody minds having a meal of like stuffing gravy and mashed potatoes even if you don't have that much leftover turkey you guys with me on this or against me on this? Yeah yeah any other any other things people need to know about saving or any other problems you think people are going to have about saving they're saving their products that aren't obvious

Alright, John, you want to before we go to the other ones? You want to read some of these? Some of these? Ask me specific questions.

All right from Robert calm To via email Hello cooking issues crew. I'm looking into cooking my turkey this year via circulator and getting a very crispy skin by frying it there isn't much reliable information in suited Turkey online. I'm assuming to do the size to do it in besides the vacuum machine required. I luckily I found a turkey that will fit my vacuum machine. My questions are what time and temperature do I circulate my 9.8 pound heritage turkey? Also should I hang dry the turkey before I fry it? What time should I fry it? Thank you in advance Robert.

nine pound turkey. Oh my God. I believe you bought purchased a large chicken nine pound turkey. I'm just I'm just fooling with you by the way about Turkeys versus chicken. I know some people are doing the chicken instead. Chick I love chicken. Chicken does not smell like turkey. Like to me the smell of the turkey on Thanksgiving that I like that. By the way. I'm not one of these guys who's like, I don't live in Turkey. I only eat it because it's Thanksgiving because it's traditional. And I don't really like Turkey. I love turkey. I'm like the dad off of the Christmas story. I love turkey. I love the smell of Turkey. I love the taste of Turkey and only get overcooked. But I do love turkey. But where are you guys? What do you guys fit on the turkey?

Enjoy? Like, good?

Yep, yep. Yeah. All right, the problem that you're going to have with your vacuuming that Turkey and one of the reasons that I don't ever vacuum a turkey, right? is first of all, it's hollow. So you're going to crush it. Right? Second of all, it's going to take a long, long time to get the heat all the way through the turkey and you're doing it. So what I recommend that you do is this, cut out the backbone of the turkey. Also cut out all of the ribs or anything that is ridiculously sharp inside of the turkey. Then bag it semi flat. Okay, you guys with me? So far? Is my explanation making sense? Yep. That bag it as though it was spatchcocked? Is this making sense? Yep. Right, then bend it into a turkey shape. And circulate it like that making sure that liquid can get to the inside of what used to be the cavity of the chicken and leaving yourself like a little hinge that you can kind of open it on. On on the on the bottom. Be gentle with it. Remove it, make sure that you don't like move it too much. Let it get cold. Cold, right, then cut it out of the bag. Gently it will now hold it shape. Right? Then put it on a rack in your fridge and let the skin dry out. If you don't let the skin dry out, bird will not be crispy. I'll repeat this bird will not be crispy, then fry it and you should be fine. Right now. Is it going to be as crispy as a bird that you fried for? Like 40 minutes? No, you know what I mean? Or as one that's been roasted. I mean, the crispness on skin is not just a function of the temperature, but it's a function of dehydration over time. So I would say you're still going to have to fry it for more than like a minute. Because obviously, it takes longer than a minute to turn skin from flaccid like partially cooked skin into crispy chicken skin. I would run a turkey skin, I would run a test I would get a lake, I would just buy a lake, a drumstick. And like today, and then I would bag it, circulate it. Cool it and you can do the other one at the same time in terms of cooking it right. But then I would test frying this is what we did. We were testing this stuff back in the French culinary back in the day. Then fry it at different temperatures for different lengths of time and get a feeling for what happens to the skin. Alright, because you don't want to be disappointed with the whole bird at Thanksgiving time. What do you think?

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