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Hello, and welcome to cooking issues. This is Dave Arnold, your host of cookie cutters coming to you live on heritage Radio Network. Well not really anywhere near noon this time. Like 1219 from rivers pizzeria in Bushwick.

Pushing noonish today

I'm pushing noonish Yeah, near noon ish. You know what? I choose the same seat every week Jack and yet I hate the microphone on my seat because it will not point up. It's gotta go lemme you gotta go fool me on this damn microphone. Oh yeah, go Motorhead for all your Motorhead fans joined as usual. While obviously with Jackson's we're talking. Hey, Jack. Hey, how's it gone? Pretty good. Yeah. And of course, Nastasia the hammer Lopes. Good, good. You exist. Special guests in the studio today. We have Angela garbage. It's how do you actually pronounce it garbage? It's

garbage that you said it right. Yeah.

One of my things close to the mic

there. Angela.

It's one of my all time favorite interns ever at the French culinary back by the way. Do you call it the International Culinary Center?

I know. It's French culinary. Yep. Yeah. French culinary.

She is from the great hails from the great state of Nebraska. Oh, by the way, I don't know if he I don't know if we have any listeners in Nebraska. But, Jack, do you know what Nebraska is? Nebraska. His motto is I don't Well, do you know, everybody This way they have a new week motto. What is the new week model? Angela?

Isn't it Nebraska? Nice.

That's the worst motto in the world. It's the worst. Nebraska. It's nice. But what do you say? What do you say about someone when you're like, Hey, how'd your day go? Anastasia? He was a nice guy. That me? Yeah. He wasn't like, like, you didn't want to stab his eyes out. Maybe. But you didn't want to stab yours because you were so bored. Nebraska. Nice. Whereas you know what it used to be Jack?

I see something here. I looked it up. Let's see if you have the same thing. Possibilities. Endless. Oh, interesting. Because the internet tells me the Nebraska motto is equality before the law. Whoa. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you feel that everyone's equal before the law in Nebraska?

I think there's a lot of recent legislation that would say that it's not

like what do you got going on Nebraska.

A lot of LGBT stuff. That's not good. Really?

Yeah. Are they are they they go in that that way that they they haven't they're not one of the couple of states that just passed the You're allowed to speaking of baking cakes. We can talk about this in a minute, but they're not one of the anti cake baking for gay marriage. States, are they?

I hope not because I'm going to jail. Yeah,

well, no, they don't say you can't they just say that you don't have to. Okay. I have no idea. You're allowed to refuse cake baking services. For like, anyone who you see theoretically, right? If you can refuse to bake a cake for like, for a gateway, can you just be like, You know what, I don't like the cut of that dude's job. No cake for you. If you that will kind of be like that mean? Like if someone was just a jerk in general and just refuse randomly cakes service to people, then it would become an internet phenomenon. It wouldn't be that person would make billions of dollars not believe they would make a lot of money. Like it'd be really bad. It'd be bad idea. But but if they literally just randomly flipped a coin when you showed up, right? And we're like, no cake for you. Probably not for you. Not for you. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, no cake. So let's talk about cake. So Angela, you have opened a bakery? Yes, a year ago. Yeah. And so why don't you tell us about your base called

Goldenrod pastries. We do a lot of alternative diet stuff. And it's just a really kind of happy place to be we do. Try to be very inclusive with what we serve to people and just try to make it a really happy fun place.

So it describes me when alternative diet is

gluten free, dairy free, vegan, Paleo.

Oh my god, how do you do all of those things? Do you all same time? Or do you have different things at the same time? Everything you do is all of those things? No,

it's like, you know, I probably 90% of what we do is gluten free. Yeah. And then

you didn't have it. You didn't never develop the gluten allergy yourself. You're not one of those. You still eat gluten at home?

I usually gluten.

Yeah, gluten gluten good stuff.

It's so good. I don't eat dairy, dairy, dairy for the most part. But I'm on vacation now. So I'm in international waters.

Let me tell you some. It's just a little known fact. But Angeles dad like runs the Nebraska beef, like board, like, publicity wing of the whole board. It's just the Department of Ag Department of Agriculture, but he's big. Nebraska beef. Yeah.

We have good beef.

So do you. That's the Paleo section. So do you make muffins entirely out of beef? It's just beef muffins. Like take take make a meatloaf and like a beef muffin? It's perfect. So yeah, that might be the only cupcake. I would

like we're across the street from a Seventh Day Adventist college. They would not eat the beef muffin. Oh, so

you're catering to your neighborhood.

I mean, everybody wants different diet stuff right now.

Yeah. Seventh Day Adventist college. Yeah. Are they good customers?

They're great. They're really nice people. Yeah, but they try to eat really healthy who Yeah,

well, but why? Remember, it's like if you believe if you believe that it's all about to be over. Why eat healthy? Don't say so like status. Let's say you knew you know what? You only got like a couple of weeks left. It's about to be over. Are you going to be cutting down on your saturated fats? No, no, you're going to be taking like you know, I'm going to dive into like a swimming pool of fried chicken. Or something like this literally. Yeah. Fried chicken all the time. Just Munch through that stuff. I used to think it would be good to jump into a swimming pool full of seltzer but then I think it might hurt your moist parts. All of your moist packs and good wood. Yeah, yeah, pretty quickly. You have it have you ever on a hot summer David so thirsty that you wish you could just go open your mouth and just have it like seltzer? Just flow into it? Yep.

And it sounds great.

I mean, I can do that at home you know to the first approximation with my seltzer

rigs Anyway, okay, you need two pools. One was Salter one with fried chicken.

Oh my god that was so gross and when you hit the fried chicken smack and then after the first like 10 bites like when he got earthworm your way through fried chicken is just the nastiest you just belly flop your belly flop and then try to chew your way through the fried chicken. It's just not a pleasant I would do it. Yeah, yeah. What is the foodstuff that you could consume the most of in a row? Me in a row. I'm not saying like like the most I'm saying like wood tire of the least.

is a great question.

Jack, what do you got for me?

First thing that came to my mind is like popcorn.

Wait, it's not that much weight. You're not actually messing up with that. Right? Right. Right, right. I wouldn't say 12 ice cream sandwiches?

Oh yeah,

they're delicious. I mean

probably fried chicken or beef.

The I hear the leaner the beef the more you can eat you know it's

pasta. I can like if I could probably just like finish a pound plus in one sitting. You know? If no one stops me.

Wait a pound of dry freaking pasta. You cook it you eat it?

I could I think yeah, I mean. You went

hardcore man. That's hardcore. me like, you look down at your bowl. Be like, should I have another bite? No. He's like, Is my boredom levels so high? That it's actually better for me to take this next bite of pasta than to just sit here and stare at the wall. I'd be like, Wow, Damn, that's hardcore. Yeah, you know, I mean, back in the day though. Like I don't like lean beef. I like my beef with fat in it unless it's dried. But they used to say when they used to do the buffalo hunts when they were trying to exterminate the buffalo out in your neighborhood actually, they you know that you can eat a huge quantity of buffalo meat. Huge, huge, huge Huge, endless possibility of endless buffalo meat sounds terrible. Well apparently there's not like a lot of fats you don't get sated and so high in protein I guess you are you're always kind of can just eat a little more and you're just like, pounding it. Just so do you actually make beef muffins? Can you make a beef muffin probably how to paleo muffin what's

apparently just take it to CrossFit.

They would love it really? I don't know what's a paleo muffin you like get some like you rip grass out of the ground and like bake it. What do you do with a paleo muffin?

coconut flour, coconut oil, coconut milk.

Why is that paleo? That what makes it paleo?

That's a great question.

How many Paleolithic people were baking muffins out of coconuts? They just had so many coconut Well, if you're in those neighborhoods, you can eat almost all coconut coconut is a miracle product. I love a coconut. Yeah. I love a coconut. Why would have. Let me ask you a question. I know it's not your diet. But like, I need to I need to get more in depth with the Paleo stuff because people are like wildly. Some people are wildly pro pro paleo, right. But the thing is, is there was no one Paleolithic diet that anyone can point to. It's all very, very contentious. We'll talk about this more. I guess when Richard Wrangham if he ever comes back on the show, when you say this kind of stuff.

Me. I think it needs a new name that diet. It should call

it they just mean like don't use agricultural. What they're all agricultural products now. Yeah. Anyway, so when rang them comes on. I hope any of the pro paleo people that if we have any listening will call and pepper him with questions about the Paleo diet. That'd be interesting. Yeah, yeah.

It's a bad name for the diet. I think it's too confusing. Yeah, the diets fine. But the name is not right.

Now, what do you think? Do you have you have an alternative name? No. That diet fad diet I need to answer Do you have a Do you have the food that you could plow through the most of?

I mean, now all I can think about is fried chicken. Right?

Oh, yeah. You did. You said fried chicken. That's when

it starts. What's your answer to this? Dave? What's your answer to this?

I think I mean, I liked I like ice cream sandwiches. Yeah,

that's that's the real answer is Ice Cream Sandwich. I

mean, I liked them a lot. And and like the thing is, I'm trying to think like some of my favorite things in the world, like for instance, like big bacon, poached egg, cheese, English muffin sandwiches. Those are good, really good, right? I want say 10 of them. And I didn't want to eat another one. Oh, man. When I made it through the like the 11th 12 ice cream sandwich. I was like, you know, what if I had another one on my plate, but I would eat it. Where did you do this? In college when it's all free? You know, it's all sitting around. It's not free. It's a sunk cost. I remember I still remember to this day like I had this like pyramid of ice cream sandwiches on my on my plate. I nuked the first one I figured the rest would temper out as I got down things. I like my ice cream sandwiches tempered even when I was in college, you know, I'm not a freaking Neanderthal. I like a temperate Ice Cream Sandwich. And not as good with their heart is not as good, especially with the crappy quality ice cream that they have that texture that's just no good when they're hard. Anyway,

what about peanut butter cookies? That's the thing that you can really work your way through. Really? I think so.

I don't know. Anyway, so this guy comes up, walks to me tries to take an Ice Cream Sandwich off my plate like I got it for the whole crew. I'm like, hey, hey, there's more back in the frickin kitchen. Go get your own. These are mine. You know what I mean? Yeah, but the 10th The 10th You know, English muffin. Poached egg bacon. Not good. Cheap. Nah, I was like, done. I'm done. You know, I also want eight Do you don't you familiar with the Ben and Jerry's ice cream? confection called the Vermont stir? No, you have to go to the store to get the monster. It's 20 scoops of ice cream toppings of your choice. Oh, God, I want to take one of those by myself. Sounds like a nightmare. I had a very fast metabolism back then. How'd you feel? Great. I don't do that stuff anymore. I've got kids and my wife really doesn't want me too. You know Jan does not want me to imbue DAX Booker is not going to do any of this stuff. But doesn't want me to like imbue the love of this kind of eating feet on DAX thinks that would be a mistake. What do you think stuff? Yeah, I can see dogs trying to do that. Yeah, but do you think it's a mistake? Maybe you already teach them a lot of other weird. Speaking of weird crap.

Styles. What's your answer to this question? I was gonna say popcorn like you last night. I ate a whole ton of caviar. Oh free Grey Poupon eat that

all the time? Really? Really like it? Did you have a hangover from assault? Really? Did what do you eat it on crackers you spoon it in your face?

You know what? Sushi that's what I can just forever know why you

think that because it just cost so damn. Why you know what I mean? Like I've had my fill of all you can eat sushi because that stuff is grow and that's but that's not what I mean. Can you get sick? Yeah, I mean like you

know you get like a really good oh my god say I could usually I usually feel like yeah, I'll run it back I could do that all again. You know,

ya know, but who could afford to everybody if it were free? Have you ever been in a situation styles where the Sushi was unlimited and you had to stop because you weren't just sick of being in there. stars like stops eating for like other reasons like I'm sick of Ain't gotta go now. You know what I mean? Like I'm like that actually like we've had this discussion before on the air. But see, Angela hasn't been here for it. But what are your feelings as soon as I put the last morsel of food in my mouth, I am done. I want to be out of there. I want to be gone. Out. Dun dun.

Ozersky wrote something great about that once where he's like in the future there will just be a chip in my head and I can immediately leave and not have to sit there and shame you know, after the last bite.

But why is it shame? I've seen I've seen Ozersky eat and it actually it was shameful. He took me to a sort of God he took me to I don't normally frequent these establishments, but he took me to a strip club. That sir Adam Perry Lang was the chef there at the time. So it's real data here. Yeah, I swear to God, it's penthouse club. And like, and we're trying to have a serious discussion if we ever discussed this on air. We have, yes, doodles long time ago. I'm trying to have a suit. You know, Josh's Erskine, of course died last year, fortunately, but trying to have a serious discussion about the tenderness of freaking steak while he's getting a lap dance. I'm like, oh, like how am I supposed to have a conversation? Was he able to have a conversation didn't seem to faze didn't like like, I'm like, wow, this is uncomfortable. Where are you looking at the woman? I caught me like I don't know. Like, where? Like you're not. What am I supposed to do? Like a key? It's not we can't have a normal conversation with someone. Well, that's going on. What were you looking at the woman? What do you mean we're gonna do with a woman and they Ozersky were in one unit? He was giving him a lap dance? Are you looking at Ozersky? I was kind of like trying to like talk and look at the steak while I'm talking about the

steak. Just have a normal dinner and pretend it's not there. Yeah, I think that's rude.

But where's the table with the food? If they're able to get a laugh? Do you have to push the chair back?

Oh my goodness.

It's like a normal freakin table with like steak. And then all of a sudden a lap dancer comes out. And money exchanges, exchanges thongs or whatever happens in those situations? Yeah, it is a strange combination. I think I want my I mean, I think I would want that, you know, like, kind of divided. Not like together. You know, I'm saying

sounds like a tough time to eat a steak.

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, what? Adam very long, of course, the steaks are delicious. I mean, he's good cook. Yeah, you know, I mean, anyway,

I have a chat room question. If we want to jump right to that. Sure. jump

to that. And if you have any live questions, call them at 27184972128. That's 718-497-2128. What's your question? Well, this

one's pretty live came in like just now. So from Kyle, Alberta, right, that's right. With a D question. I'm christening my new deep fryer with a big deep fry for everyone at work getting requests for candy bars and mud sticks. Now do you know do these need a liquid nitrogen dunk pie prior to the batter and fry?

What's a matchstick monster mozzarella sticks? Oh my oh my gosh. Yeah. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the candy bars. Let me tell you something, sometimes the first time you fire up your defect first of all, I don't know what kind of deep fat fryer you have. So it's all a question of what kind of a nightmare situation you can you can deal with. But when you deep fry a candy bar if the coating on that candy bar is not it does not stay intact during the frying procedure. It is going to you'll have like mostly a case and then as this liquid on the inside. It's not that much liquid most of the stuff like with Monstro it will start pumping said product out of the hole into your oil where it will ruin everything that mozzarella sticks to find. I usually fry them from Frozen, though, right? I think I don't do I don't do a lot of you know what's really good to fry is a case of the free air it doesn't melt but it's not as gooey as a mozzarella stick. You have to eat them right away because they get squeaky I never did a lot of fried mozzarella. I've done it. The worst fried thing. Look if you're going to Christian you're just do freakin fried chicken and donuts. Do fried chicken and donuts. And let me say this cake donuts even though like even though, if God were to make a donut, it would be a cake donut. You should start with a use donut because they're incredibly forgiving compared to a cake donut. But like you make a good yeasted donut. And like a bunch of fried chicken and french fries. Do a good job with the French fries. And everyone thinks you're a fried genius. Even if it's the first time you've ever fried in your life by the way. The easiest thing in the world to fry with your fried chicken. Maybe not as impressive for most people, onion rings, onion rings. I'll tell you why. You can use the same batter for the onion rings that you use for the chicken and for some reason people don't get pissed off people aren't like it's the same batter. You're using the same bat on both they don't get pissed off. You know? So what's your paleo fry batter Angela?

Probably coconuts. Really coconut flour probably. But can you fry

I've never I've never why not? Didn't they have animals with fat and then wouldn't be able

to fry like with strict paleo you couldn't fry with regular oil

you fry with rendered yeah fry with that. Yeah, mean call her whenever you're ready. We can get back to the frying in a second but yeah, I would freeze the candy bars and make it make sure you double dip and get a good coating on it so they don't bleed out. Dude if you do something like falafel make freaking sure that it's not going to leak apart do a small test in oil. I once had an exploding falafel ball situation where I put an entire thing of falafel into my fryer and it disintegrated into the fryer and settled into a cake on the bottom bad news. I call it you're on the air.

Hello, hi. Hi. Is this Dave Arnold? It is. Wow. Dave Arnold, I'm a huge fan. My name is Mindy.

Mindy, also one of the best all time interns and actually had anastasius job for a while.

What a great job. It was right. Well,

not so great. You don't have it anymore. Not because I want you to leave. You're like I am done with this. Dave Arnold. Did this on air. I'm the new haven of bosses. New Haven, New Haven. Yeah. So New Haven is a town where everybody who's in New Haven wants to get out. But as soon as you leave New Haven you're like New Haven. Not so bad.

It wasn't so bad. No, now that I have kids, I see how reasonable you are in comparison.

Nice. Nice. Nice. So what's your just calling a call in the chatter? You got a question for us? Mindy?

No. Just calling to say hi. Because I really there were some great, great sound bites. You know, like, I love coconuts. And you know, it's not as good when it's hard.

I didn't even hear that. See you. Yeah, but you had a good year for these kinds of things.

And it was amazing. Yeah. Yeah, no, and I had a suggestion. I mean, I can't exercise it but instead of the crazy diets like I don't know, moderation, but I know that's like crazy. Crazy Crazy.

Yeah, I mean, I believe in moderation for other people. I believe it's really good advice. It's just couldn't exist. It exists and actually that's the only sound advice really, but you know, it doesn't change doesn't seem to work for me. I you know, yeah, I can't do it. I've tried I'm more of like, when I binge on stuff, it's like pure love remember when I used to come back and and drink two quarts of blueberries not blended? Not smoothie? Drink them? No, no quart container containers blueberries

the fruit they just fell into your mouth.

Like a boa constrictor you just like unhinged your jaw and you just send them straight down without chewing. It was a little it was a little horrifying to watch. I couldn't eat blueberry for like a year. But that's

no but good. Hey, going back to the question. I once ate a gallon of over a gallon of raspberries not use the fruit.

A lot of raspberries

well this is how you develop allergies. DAVE What about the cherries? You eat like I

didn't like the

cherry. Yeah,

that's true. The raspberries though I did it for a reason that I know Mindy will respect is that I'm cheap. I'm cheap. And I was a pick your own and I didn't realize how much it was going to cost. I didn't realize how much it's gonna cost. What partial I guess I don't know. I guess it's the Scottish part of me. I think it's like I live anyway. So like I ate a whole I realized what other people were paying in front of me. So you just I went back into the I went back into the pick your own area and feed bags gallon of the stuff. They had a sin bin I dropped like you know like a couple of dollars into this really couple of pennies into the sin bin and then paid for like are a couple of quarts that were left.

What would Mindy what would be her ice cream sandwich?

Yeah, maybe what could you eat the most of all times?

What was like what am i Oh, do you remember I ate those mangoes and I developed like a minor allergy when I like mangoes went toxic. Yeah, because because of those, I love those. I love those champagne mangoes and I ate something like 12 of them and then someone gave me that crazy Alphonso mango and I broke out into like giant hives.

My memory was your face inflated like a balloon.

No, that's just my face. Dave.

Wow. Wow. So

I got face like proof embryos you know that?

That's kind of good. If you can get it to like do that and then push on it and see whether it's done. I don't tender Tafolla Yeah, CFC. How do you do? How do you do your gluten free brioche? How do you do that? Angela?

I would never. Some things are not some things. It just does.

So where's the line? Like where's the line? yeasted stuff

for me.

So you you don't do any of these gluten free? yeasted No, no. So you're like cookies. cakes, cakes. Cakes. Alright, let's, maybe Wednesday I'm going to hit school. Hit some questions here. Because there's some opinion based questions.

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Kiran writes in. Sorry, if you've covered this topic, I'm still about 100 episodes behind the catching up fast, savory cocktails came up in a recent conversation, I had a two part question two parts ready already, guys, two parts. I was wondering if you had any recommendations for savory cocktails, that wouldn't be unreasonable to order at a bar. And by the way, as soon as means like a normal savory cocktail that you could order in a bar, as opposed to, as opposed to like, you know, like Bennett's like Nick Bennett's mushroom like champion has Steena, which is like, you know, you can't walk into a regular bar and order that right. So presumably mean regular bar situation. And any recommendations that aren't explicitly meat based like a bowl shot, that would be an unreasonable thing to order at most bars, by the way, would be great. I'm not vegetarian, but people seem understandably hesitant about meat based drinks, aside from the occasional shot of Worcestershire sauce, which by the way, most people use fake Worcestershire sauce. Now that doesn't contain anchovies. Did you know that? Yeah, most people I get a lot of people unless they're using Liam parents, which is the real stuff like a lot of people if they buy there was certain places like Whole Foods. They have anchovy free, which to me, it's not really wishes yourself some point. It's not wish or sauce. I mean, the only thing I could think that no, there's no I mean, the best savory drink to order at a bar is bourbon meat. You know what I mean? Right? You know what I mean? Or something like that. Or a Scotch

like Mezcal Negroni or something

that's got sugar in it. It's not savory. That's

true. It can be.

I mean, they're like sick to me. Savory implies savory foods can have sugar, right? Obviously, duh. Right. But if on a cocktail, if you're gonna say it's savory to me, the overwhelming palate on it has to be things that are not on the sweet side, right? I

mean, mezcal in the boonies all smoke, you know? Yeah, but smoking

sweet or like, like is, is, you know, are all those baking candies? Not that I'm a big thing, but those are, you're still gonna get like the sugar feel in your mouth? Yeah. trissiny The sugar feel? Right. It's the worst. I mean, the only thing you could order is a Bloody Mary. Yeah. But that's really a morning drink. So you know, I mean, you can't you can't reasonably walk into a bar and order a Bloody Mary in the nighttime. Right? People do it. No, they do that.

It's not reasonable.

That's why That's why we did the clarified one that you can drink at night. You don't want I don't want soup at the bar. Unless it's soup.

I like soup. Then it's dispatched?

By me. Yes. But I mean, in other words, like, right. Well, you brought me in other words, like I like eating a soup. Yeah, I like soup. I made some soup the other day. delicious soups. Yes. I don't think many can you think of any still there?

Yeah, no, I said scotch and salted peanuts. But I've ordered. I've ordered Bloody Marys anytime of the day.

Really? Had you just woken up from a nap?

No. I mean, you know, some people will be like, if you go to like a crappy bar and you're like I want to dirty Bloody Mary or you have a bad habit like a dirty martini that's very savory.

Maybe that maybe makes a good body. I'll give you that. I'll give you the dirty.

It only is like 112 ingredient alive Lenny Mary, but a lot ingredients.

And then the second part of question is can you think of a reason why savory drinks haven't become more common? Or have I just not looked hard enough? I'm not much of a Barfly, but renewed interest in mixed drinks and gastropub seems like the perfect environment for something less sweet on the drinks list. I'll also be sending this question to Kenji Lopez alt, since it's vegan month, it seems like it's an interesting thing. So I don't know what Kenji came up with. But I just don't think it's the thing that people I've made savory cocktails before. And usually my response is, that was really good sip of drink. And then yes, and then you don't want to think about it this way. Your average cocktail is, oh, somewhere between once it's all made somewhere in the neighborhood of five ounces, in our bar, five, six ounces. You know what I'm saying? So, think about that. That's five or six ounces is like, you know, a third of a pound of stuff. You don't I mean, and so you're pounding that much of savory. I don't know. So I'm saving a lot of savory to have, you know, I don't know I just I don't I don't have a good answer for this. I feel bad, but I can't think of a I can't. I would never order that stuff myself. I like dry. But I like I say I don't consider bourbon or scotch.

Michelada.

Okay. Yeah, that's true. You know, I told you the grossest thing I ever, the grossest things I've ever made or savory drink was the grossest, most disgusting drinks I've ever made savory or drink wise or savory.

What was the worst? Oh,

without a doubt the RE carbonated. centrifuged burrito in in beer. Oh, man. A friggin nightmare

sounds like to work to put a burrito on

it was the worst many were you there for that shoot I just don't even understand why that was the worst was it necessity were you there for that shoot it was me. That's the worst is right around that switch over time the worst worst knows two years and then we have I made I've made some good very good but they're beef broth based where you kill the gelatin and beef broth. You knew kappa gelatin and it's thin, but they're short shots situations. Also, I think you don't want a lot of your, the savory drinks are better a little bit on the warmer side, which also takes it against what people don't know you made beef shots. So much better than a bull shot we used that we had this old enzyme called correlates and correlates literally ate the gelatin out of stock. So you wouldn't have to two ways to do it. You can do gel clarification by taking a stock that has a certain amount of jell in it you know you have to do a fairly light stock just set right freeze it thought stuff drips out is clear. Now you can reduce that down without the gelatin resetting because there's no more gelatin in it. You bleach the gelatin out so you can make these very very very concentrated very savory. I think we did like beef and clarified tomato. It's good. You know what I mean? That sounds good. It was good. I would do that. Yeah. A shot you don't want a glass of it or

beef though was it wasn't Nebraska beef?

Well of course the possibilities for Nebraska beef are endless. No,

they change that ask Angela changed it dude, we

went through it the beginning. It's the worst. It's the worst. It's the worst. Nobody wants a nice how is the beef in Nebraska. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. Anyway. And the other way to do that of course the other way to do it is to use the enzyme the enzyme is awesome I wish I could get correlates I've never had a good result with I never had a good result using meat tenderizer years to wipe out the gelatin regular meat tenderizer just to wipe out the gelatin a they seem to add a little bitterness when you wipe out the stuff and be for some reason when you try to do ag or clarification off of something that you've hit with the has broken up gelatin from this stuff. You get the you get this grainy, nasty texture, we were never able to do anything. We're never able to do anything good with it. But yeah, that correlates was so awesome. I can still picture the mounds of already reduced like glass just melting under that correlates enzyme but for some reason it never got popular no one ever picked it up no one ever and that correlates enzyme was specifically built to break the gelatin down into non bitter unit so a lot of times when you break down proteins into like very small polypeptide chains you'll get a lot of like bitter notes that's why like a lot of hydrolyzed protein if it's not like good quality stuff can have a little bit of bitterness to it. But this correlates stuff that dead neutral the polypeptides that came out of it were like freaking not like not ruining Christmas which was nice about

was it the bitterness came from like free amino acid when Yeah,

I certain shortchange poly peptides are just bitter. They have different flavors. There's you know, they're just have in general a lack of bueno.

Yeah, lack of bueno,

lack of bueno lack of planning. So do we even have time for a break? Or we're not going to take a break today? Jack?

I'm going to insert it after.

Are you going to insert it after? Yeah. All right. We'll fix it and post fix it in post. By the way. Speaking of post, I have a I had a question. Oh, I'm working on a new cocktail that the bartenders are not going to like and because it's too simple, but I'm testing this our centrifuge prototype size, which apparently, I'm told by our lawyers that until the prototype on the rotor is finalized, we can't publish any photos of it or not. It was right. Alright. But check this out. clarified orange juice, right. So which as we know, clarified orange shoots by itself tastes like Sunny D is not the best right? clarified strawberry juice. Right? And then I did a I did some rough calculations on it. And I'll give you those calculations now. So OJ is roughly 11 to 12 bricks, right? So 11 to 12% sugar by weight, strawberries about eight. Commercial Driscoll is about 8% by weight titratable acidity is like point seven five in strawberry and point eight in OJ so they're fairly similar, right? So I did 400 grams of clarity strawberry 500 grams of Clary OJ I did 16 grams of citric and 20 of Malik to jack the the lime up to sour mix bass because sour mix would be 5050 Right? Simple syrup and and what's it called? And what's it called? And 300 grams of sugar might have been 600 grams of OJ gotta look at anyway 600 grams of OJ juice and then put that all together. And then that's delicious. That's what we have right there. That is strawberry orange cordial. unheated. That stirred into tequila is freaking delicious.

Looks beautiful.

It It looks more orange when you start down and start seeming like It looks like an orange violin and stared down. But I need a name for it though. What do you think? It's not really it's not a margarita it's stirred by bartenders aren't gonna like it anyway because it's it tastes really simple it's like super simple. I like it like that. You know what else had developed with the in the center few stars that you might enjoy? But you actually you wouldn't enjoy. You don't like gin? Angele you like gin? Right? Definitely. Yeah. Blueberries back to blueberries. Clarify did a blueberry who Steena which ordinarily is not very stable because the blueberries add a lot of liquid, did the calculations on it and then just carbonated it. So it's like blueberries, tiny bit of sugar, tiny bit of acid, actually just in the water because the blueberries are about the right acidity and sugar range for the gin, but is needed to up it a little bit. And it's just like dark purple. Gin, blueberry carbonated thing. Good, amazing. Good. My bartenders would never go for it. They would hate it. Whatever. Anyway, if anyone in the chat room can come up with a name for that drink. That would be pleasant for me. And we got this in from can't remember. Can Can Ingber. Yep, yeah, so he came in with, I will read his comment because I didn't get to it. Last time. This was back when we were talking about sandwiches with Peter Kim. As you know, I also have deep platonic inspired ideas about the sandwich but there's a much overlooked aspect of the sandwich namely, its delivery. This is from Ken when I become a maximum Ruler of the Universe. This will change. This will change among many implemented in sandwiches. At random times sandwich inspectors will require lunchtime counter prep workers who make and wrap sandwiches to reverse roles. And while wearing their favorite pants and the shirt that their mother gave them. Eat the aforementioned made and wrap sandwiches at their desk experiencing the implausibly inexpensive aluminum foil permanently affixed and melted cheese and the mustard coated sprouts that cascade onto your lab and the excess tomato sauce whose sole purpose is extrusion. You should not be having sprouts on your sandwich that should get you the mustard can but you should not have any sprouts on your freakin sandwich to your freakin customers. Order sprouts. Angela, I have sprouts in your place. No. Okay. No sandwiches. Secondly, I thought the group was unnecessarily negative on bad houseguests. Maybe okay. The Stasi is not unduly negative on her bad houseguest. She needs to like Nastasia I like her friends, right? I like them only because they are her friends and not my friends. But you know Anastasia is the kind of person where like on a regular basis people will rent out their apartments to like use as Airbnb s and then they will sleep on her couch and not kick her any of the Airbnb money. That's like stars is life plus, plus, plus, plus, they'll bring her a bottle of yellowtail and they'll drink her good stuff. That's the kind of that's the kind of that's what the Stasi deals with on a regular basis. Am I wrong about that? Yes, Mindy. Mindy has many isn't what do you got Mindy?

She's she's had she's she's dealing with the homefront. So I finished Kevin's thing. Secondly, I thought that the group was unnecessarily negative on bad house guests. Some years ago, a large contingent of my family came to Boston to see my children perform in a national tour of a well known musical. My wife and I prepared and served a very nice meal at our home to all of them. And if she and I were standing next to each other at the sink washing the dishes that we had cleared I said to her well this proves beyond a doubt that I come from royalty. She asked how So I replied 15 people sitting around that table and not one person lifted a finger to help Wow rough That's rough. To after I cooked I don't want to clean Do you want to clean I cooked and cleaned which is the worst? I usually do that I can't do it I have to throw everything in the sink and then wait for the next day I can't do it

while I'm finishing up Yeah, I tried to clean while you're finishing then you eat dinner and then you just have like everything from dinner leftover Yeah,

that's the best way to do I'm a firm believer also in front of the house back of the house. So it's like classic like roles like one person if you're a couple and one person has to do all the front of the house stuff and one person does all the back of the house stuff like get the plates ready. I hate hate when the plates aren't ready when the food is I hate it. Do you hate that? I don't know. Do you do front of house or back of house? Did your husband cook we definitely collaborate Yeah, you can collaborate in the kitchen. Not at the bake at home we can really so you're just better person I'm you're nicer person. Yeah, no split it. Alright, so here's what I have to do before the next cooking issues. I have a shoot. I can't talk about the shoot obviously because it hasn't happened yet to get in trouble. But over the weekend I have to build a chicken gun. A chicken gun. A gun that can fire chickens, dead chickens.