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Cooking issues this is Dave Arnold, your host of cooking gigs coming to you live on heritage Radio Network every Tuesday from roughly 12 to roughly 12:45am Roberta's pizzeria in Bushwick blip blip blip breakline special special show for you today. We have as usual in the studio, Miss Tassia the hammer Lopez How you doing stuff we got David in the booth David How you doing? Doing great, nice, but today today is the special Rockstar wine tasting right we got a bunch of Rockstar wine some owned by Rockstar some not and to share this with you. We have a bunch of special guests we have returning to the program Jordanna Rothman Hi guys. You gotta you gotta you got an air horn. Nice nice and you know maybe if we have time we'll talk smack about Burning Man and cocktails and giving each other crap and whatnot. We have also the What's your Daniel, what's your title there at this series? He's not I always forget. Culinary director, culinary director Daniel Gratzer.

what up what up?

Welcome back to the show, by the way, if any of you want to call in, but get ready now, if you want to call in questions to 718-497-2128 That's 718-497-2128. But try to keep your questions relatively either Rockstar related or wine relating. So we got a lot to get through today. I will deal with all of your non Rockstar and non wine questions later now to round out our actual like information because you know, we're not bad people. Right? We're not bad at hairstyle. Right. Okay. But we're not like we're not we're not none of us are professionally, kind of rock star folk or wine folk.

Actually, I have a I have a career as a rock star in the side.

Lobby. So sweet. Is that actually true?

It is he's actually written. He's actually written a song with Anastasia the hammer and I yeah, I had my rep. Slap your balls.

Well, I wish you had told my two dogs that last week when they had balls before I had them snipped off at the vets. But more about that now you have like different ball songs going through my head is not appropriate. All right, so let's start with let's start with our rock and roll cred. We have Anthony boza who is welcome to the show.

Very glad to be here.

Yeah, I'm a multi mo Thai. New York Times best selling author has worked with the likes of slash what we'll get into later if we Have time but like, how was that? Was that okay? That was amazing. Yeah, yeah, it was great. Yeah. Have you seen him without the Hatton glasses?

I used to go to his house because he liked to get interviewed from like midnight till four in the morning and he usually would it would open the door in a robe with a turban that is sick so kind of a hat I guess still but what was he doing like a hair mask? He just showered any in a white robe on that said slash? Yeah, it's like

that. That is you know what everybody rock? That's the life yeah,

that's like that's just at home. Yeah, who else

who else who else UVA like, like,

Tommy Lee.

How was that? In the Pamela days or not in the Pamela days? Nope.

It was in the days when he wasn't a motley crew and I lived with him I ended up living with him this first time I did a co write didn't know what it's gonna be like, ended up living in his house for nine months. That's gotta be Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Did you fill in a couple times did

you ask him about and or write about their like bet to see who could like go out and not shower the longest and still like Get It On with the ladies on a constant basis? Is that is that apocryphal? Or is that true story?

That's pretty true. Tommy does not like to shower that much. Wow. Yeah, he calls it the ring closet though. That's his little so for. Pet word for showers like I'm gonna hop in the room closet. Dude. Be right

back. Now this is a family show and saying that right now but for any of you that go out and for any of you go out and watch the famous online like, explicit video of Tommy Lee and and Pamela when they were together, right. I want you to reimagine that without any showering for a long period of

time. It's good thing they were on a boat.

Carrying every earring everything out with the sea breezes. Yeah, that was the other one. He said after Tommy Lee. By the way, why did they pronounce it motley crew with all the women that shouldn't be motley crew?

We didn't get to that

next time. All right. And last, but certainly not least, we brought our wine cred with Clifton Hyde, who is a Psalm where you sound Clifton

with the morel wine group, doing mostly high end stuff for lots of rich people.

Also, a member of the freaking Blue Man Group

is what yeah, we get tired of eating marshmallows. You have to wash it down with some wine so it works out. Well.

This is strong business. This is people, people. This is some strong business and we have a lot of wines to get through. And once we get Clifton liquored up, he might do some tricks with like ping pong balls and catching all sorts of crazy stuff with various things and whatnot. He's not dressed in in blue. I hear the tryouts for the Blue Man Group are just freaking bananas. Yeah, it's pretty much I think, but it's like almost like a hazing, right? Yeah,

well, first of all, just the the initial audition, you're going to room 100 people and they give you they play a song for you. And you're expected to memorize it and play it back on one listen, and they change it for each person with those weird organs. All the instruments you've never played before. So it's crazy stuff. And so then that wheels it down to a lot and then after that, it's just a couple of months of just craziness and craziness. And then they keep putting you in front of people the whole time to see if you break under pressure and stuff. It's it's fun.

I have two questions. How long does it take to get the makeup off?

I got well, I got most of it off within like 10 minutes. Wow. Oh, you get you get pretty good.

Like you're like date ready in 10 minutes. Are you still like? Well, certain visual picture. He's got a beard and a mustache. mustache, mustache mustache. So I'm trying to imagine like the blue.

Yeah, just kicks in there. I used to say fuck it. And you know if anyone asked you just like that's how I roll. Alright.

Okay. And the second thing is is I imagine like gratifying and fun but also soul crushing or not. So crushing continues to be fun.

Well, I haven't done it since 12. Which is funny. Actually. I did do some percussion work with them on Sunday night. But no, it's one of the few things that's actually pretty. It's always fun because the crowds there and it's very improvisational with the crowd and you get to mess with them. So

I ran screaming from Blue Man Group, the only time I ever went too much touching.

Too much touching. Is it Jordanna Rothman talking of Jordanna Rothman says there's too much touching it's a Caligula movie. Let's put it

probably Clifton. Yeah. Yeah. Does a guy have a beard?

Yeah. All right.

All right. We gotta make we gotta make a bottle orchestra when this is done. I'll do a little routine. Yes, great. All right,

so let's get so we have a bunch of different wines which which what are we going to go through first? We're going to go through DLM Yeah, we're gonna do deal. Okay. So the premise behind the show is an excuse actually for Anastasia to get some friends on the show and have a good time which is what we're doing but in actuality it's it's a tasting and judging not just celebrity wines with which there are many, but Rockstar wines that are associate now deal deal and Dilip dilemma Honey, a winery that Dennis is the guy that and Stasi has been in touch with over there. He is a winemaker and has been a winemaker but really is a huge Rockstar fan. So he has a lot of collaborations with rockstars and people in the music business but the wines themselves aren't owned by the rockstars in his case, so which one are we going to go through first

let's start with the finale Shan Kohn Pinot Noir from Sonoma Coast 2013 150 cases produced so this is this is 1/60 of the entire production

nice All right well the lat the last of the which ones that sets the grand finale just the finale okay the finale All right, we have later to taste at the end the grand finale which is their like their their most. It was their most it's their most what's it called limited. It's the most limited his favorite bottle that they that they make in this series. Now the the finale, The finale wines is a collaboration who actually think he does go to the winery and do actual collaboration with Jonathan Cain, Jonathan Cain is like a musician. Slash like a, like a piano player who keep the key. I looked on the Wikipedia and he has gone to like every journey concert for the last umpteen million years played the piano solo which he wrote in don't stop believing and then like been like peace I'm out and then like leave so hopefully for him they play it near the beginning of the set. Guessing No. Yeah, just sit around because like, Come on, guys. The guest separate ways. Yeah.

Freebird last,

you know, I actually really like separate What's the song that you hate that one? Separate Ways? Oh, no, no. How do you hate don't stop believing? Because here's why Anastasia hates don't stop believing. Because she's like, a bunch of people who don't know they're bought from a hot rock just go around singing it and have no idea as to one journey song they know so I hate it.

And it stops. Yeah. And it was old man music actually. No.

I like I like old man music. I like young man music. I like old woman music. I like young woman music. I like all kinds of music. I have what's her name? What's her name? Carlson or whatever? What's her name? That she was on the one of the idol things? No. I have her on my iPod. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, rockin do listening to Billy Joel. On the USA on my phone. I could play it for you right now.

I haven't limitation. I'll just check to see the boundaries. They're

here. I was gonna say this about my rock my rock. My rock thinking is this like, there's a lot of stuff I hated. like growing up that I'm old enough to realize is good now. Like Steve Winwood. Steely Dan. Yeah.

When he just played recently,

back in the day, I had to hate it because of the people that listened to it right. In high school. Right. You know what I mean? Are you like Chicago? Maybe? Oh, my first time Chicago 17. Peterson tears finest effort.

Oh, please the love different Karate Kid two swords. Oh, man.

As Peter said, Tara make a line. That'd be amazing.

Who would have to be white

All right. All right. So let's take this thesis. Oh no, slip it no slurping in the mic. Our listeners get it our listeners get like super pretzel. Now, let me get the let me. Let me talk about the finale. whines so the finale is where's it? But why don't you talk about it when you talk about it. Clifton, and now I'll find the find the

small town boy. Just a small town boy. Yeah.

South Detroit.

Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Well, basically, he's just looking at it. Definitely unfiltered.

And yeah, Pinot Noir.

By the way. This was shipped. shipped via analysis. It got it wasn't 100 degree warehouse in ups this morning. I was like so like I like just shoving it back here as fast as possible, like threw it in ice and spinning it to get it down. I think I got it to the right time.

Temperature. I also liked the idea that it's kind of a foothold a bit before we got here because then it's really much more rock and roll that way. They get up poor and let's see what happens. See if it holds up. Hold up.

I clicked and give us a deficit notes.

No slurping in the microphone. Let's

do that with water. It's so bad. All right. Yeah. So this is definitely seen some heat. high alcohol. A little bit of cherry a little bit of like strawberry thing on it. This is Sonoma, right. Yes, sir. Sonoma. So hot climates. 1314 13. Yeah, so hot here. A lot of big fruits. Alcohol, it's really hot on the back. Sydney's there on the side. Get a little mouth water pucker. Not bad. Very, very classic. Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir yeah from a hot year

let me ask you this there's a little bit oak in there too are you feeling that the piano solo from from Dawn stop believe there's a

movie never end is it go on and on and on and on and on.

I feel like the most fun thing ever is for people to listen to whine notes it's so much fun

and that's why we have a legit Psalm slash bloomin on yeah, by the way do they allow women in the Blue Man Group?

Yeah, they do but the tips always heard whoa family

show.

What their nipples take down your neck

all the way incidents

just not wait because Are they like they have to be topless?

No, they have to look like men. They have to look as androgynous as bullshit

the blue person groups the Blue Man Group I should just be the blue group

now. Family freaking show.

I'm with blue

did you get Blue's Clues cease and desist when they started coming out or no.

I'm friends with Steve burns. And so like he's we've made many many a joke about such

nice. Alright, so now that it opens up in the glass, Louis any

other this is fine. It's nice drinking wine. It's not so much adults don't believe in wind. Oh, this is more of a lady in red like red urge.

Oh god, I love that. Very simply read well, he

actually well, I don't get the

guy with the like the half

makeup. No. Yeah. You know,

I never listen to that stuff. Lucky. I'm just kidding. All right. All right. All right. So what are we moving to? What are we moving to next? Everyone cool.

Wait, what does everyone else think?

I taste it and I get cherry rain coming down. I taste it in my mind. And I spread it all around. I've had a few but not that many. But this is the one that gives me good and plenty

of work. So

that's a quote. That's a quote. And I'm going to give I'm going to I'll give a some sort of prize that doesn't exist to whoever can name the source.

You got me? Yeah. Is it a musician? Yeah. Is it a journey song? I mean, no. Bro. is

Purple Rain.

That's no but you also know cherry Moon

Moon cheering Moon getting this was juicy fruit by them to me.

I see I see how we're rolling with you.

By the way speaking of rolling I know it's not his song but Little John makes a wine maybe for the next little John makes wine apparently AC DC makes a wine.

Oh they said they couldn't get it to us fast enough. Yeah, do you make

a wise Australia?

AC DC not get it to his fast enough Australia. First of all, I'm just gonna say this about winemakers right. So AC DC. When you go to see AC DC in concert doesn't matter how old they are. Doesn't matter. Like whether they've you know whatever's happening to them. They play the songs just like the album. The solos are exactly like the freakin album. Every time they come out with an album it sounds roughly the same. And Angus was once quoted My favorite quote Yeah, he's like, Well, if it sounded different wouldn't be ACDC what and then and so like

he or he had an interview or once a well what do you think about the fact you've made 12 albums? That sound exactly the same? He's like it's not true. We've made 13 albums toured ever so but

anyway, my point being is that a band that can do that for that many years and kick so much behind at it, yeah. Awesome winemaking potential there right because they're like they're like right because they they're good at that golf game. They can keep going saying do it do it do it do it do it they're not like all over the map you know what I mean?

Yeah, trying to do a country record this time

right yeah, actually sounds good. I can I can listen to a country Thunderstruck the gorge should start doing AC DC and not just do

bluegrass band that does AC DC covers that's awesome

and it's not the chords it's someone else

no I don't know

what they also do made them to

maybe you guys maybe that's why I liked that you

choose late 80s AC DC as your go to to turn into a bluegrass and you don't choose like you know you don't choose Back in Black you don't do bond Scott you like go straight for like 1980 89 on the razor's edge tour Wow,

I'm feeling it wow wow, wow.

To get their mind on eventually alright so

what do we got the this is the once again do finale Oh access

oh all access gets you into the Wiener so this one is about like I think it's supposed to be more accessible more kind of friendly more available all access pass drinking it in the in the back stage with your buddies brings people together that's what this bill says on the websites I read that I read all access pass my trunk. I appreciate that. I appreciate the theoretical camaraderie I have with the musicians, right.

Do you think these guys are really drinking wine backstage?

I don't know. They told me some of them. Yeah, totally. I mean, they might just be drinking their own but they should they have it. But ya know, I would say it's more of an age thing. You know, younger guys, like when

you age out of whiskey, start making wine. Yeah,

never aged out of whiskey.

When you're trying to you know, watch your waistline. You don't want to drink like 32 but Tallboys everyday.

You know what you should you should tell Dave Arnold about water shots. You just told Dave Arnold about water shots.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, water shots. Mater shots. Um, yeah, a couple of Coachella. ago I went to Coachella with Tommy Lee.

Did you see Did you see holographic Tupac?

I did I wasn't that one but this wasn't the one he wants to be on the show

he's already cut five songs about it

and anyway, so his fiancee charged me with making sure he doesn't you know doesn't get dehydrated it doesn't get to me you know whatever.

We talking about rock stars and do drugs

so I invent he like doesn't drink when Tommy is drinking he doesn't like to drink water because he's like that's for so anyway I invented a way to make him drink water and that was to do it like a shot like go and get a you know little solo play you know Poland spring I feel like all at once we would chug it and slam it and be like yeah, water shots and then he realized it actually made him feel good. Desert so that's how we did it. So we would do that every time we saw water stations. Yeah, everybody caught shots like get people chug it and throw them down.

This can be a thing we can start this it's pretty it's Yeah.

Jordi and I do it

it's Jordanna professionally Oh, sorry.

What do you go by when you're not being professional? Giordano Arnold nobody wants nobody wants that you can go with Dave You know steal my identity please.

Okay, is this the same guy?

We're stapling same winery for now we're gonna taste his white at the end

all right. Yeah, so this guy is the Big Boy it's like 15% alcohol on this guy and definitely Xin cabin there it's got a little funk on it little British action needs to blow off a bit

yeah it already like I swirled it in it's already gone like it had something at the beginning and now it's Yeah,

yeah just just needed to blow off a bit. But this is this is easy drinking tea.

Is this a backstage wine?

I this is to me this is totally like backyard barbecue, any sort of like you can just you can you can just knock this back and get hammered.

Is it high alcohol because like all access pass, you know, bringing girls groupies.

Fun Facts for people about Anastasia Cameron Lopez is Anastasia was apparently the queen of going backstage without performing any sort of actions.

That's what she said she's corn disagrees.

Oh.

If you're gonna choose one group to break that rule on corn, metal I think this is a nice voivod actually.

This is the line this is the line that makes the blue man women's ace bandages come right off. You know pop pops a little

it's easy fun. Why not much to it. No aftertaste really? Finishes That's

it. That's a first for Assam ever.

No aftertaste. aftertaste and just kind of it's it's it's for coop and you just sit and just throw this

bedding. Nothing

just fades into a watershed album.

Now we're moving on to the pinup is one of the ones it's done with David Coverdale. Yes, this is David Coverdale. Now, the other thing I want to say about about these guys about DLM and their website is dealing wines right.com I think so. And what's interesting is is that they a lot of their Rockstar things they do for charity, so they'll they'll get like all of Germany or David Coverdale to sign a bottle and and bottles and then they'll do charity so I know that one of the things I did with journey made a lot of money for the Make a Wish Foundation so it's kind of an interesting and interesting model is don't stop leaving Walmart leave my free

if you guys ever watched firstly, fee did a did a series of like, tasting tasting celebrities spirit brands with Jimmy Han and Danny Brown? And his tasting note for all of them was tastes like pissy

family. Caffeine feline guys cannot be getting his getting a notice.

When I first went through, like any sort of some training they kept hearing this thing's like Well, that's a very feminine

way. Well, this one this one's This one's not this one's not, not the Coverdale way up clean up Cabernet is the favorite wine of the owner, Dennis della muntanya. He came up with the blending concept many years ago when the wine reopened in oh three. Wanting a pinup label and being a photography enthusiast. He took his own pictures and had been placed on the bottles. It has since grown in popularity. Now our own wine club members volunteer to have their picture taken on the bottle. So this is not it's not the Coverdale I apologize, not the Coverdale not because the guy wants to be a rock star. He's friends with he's legitimately friends with the rock star with Coverdale. He's friends with Coverdale. Okay, but this is not as accessible so this is not by by the way, if we're going to talk we have to link it to a rockstar best best pinup album cover of all time. And Vargas the cars candy. Oh,

I'd say I agree with you. Yeah, it's an awesome one.

I don't know This is hardcore, but pulp is pretty good. There's a blur

Yeah, no. Yeah, This Is Hardcore is that's not the photo Well, I guess it doesn't matter

what's classic they like like the cars literally got Vargas to do their album cover. I mean,

it's not even my for Duran Duran Rio to

really like this wine like just fine enough.

It's 18% it's fruity.

It's juicy. It's a jammy fruity.

California in your face. Really is

where are you from? Originally? Me? Yeah, Mississippi right outside of New Orleans. Really? So you don't like having California in your face? Oh, no, I've

been many a good evening that way. Yeah. Okay,

so you're not like a bug aficionado?

I do. The mud bug too. Yeah, yeah, there's there's very few holes on Croman

family show.

This is This is fun. I mean, there's no way around that.

Now. It's big. Jimmy. This is like this is like slutty wine. This is like this is like, like, what, uh, how do you describe it? It's like, Parker style, but but like big people who liked that big status before the backlash that started in? Oh, 807. Like, it used to be that like, Americans, we made our bones on these giant freakin whines Right? Like the totallys. The Screaming Eagles that were unavailable really expensive only by Liz. No one had them. And then And those were in response, I think to kind of like what Robert Parker liked. And then what happened was is you had a bunch of like Young Bloods being like, I don't like that. I hate it. I want a steer. And then everything went off steer. You know what I mean? But that's just because it couldn't afford it. Thanks. So, yeah, and to this day, I'm like, You know what, like, if you're at home, and here's what happened, the market got flooded with $10 giant fruit bombs, right? They were all like over tweaked at the winery. When you had like a situation. So like back in, like in the 90s. The best deal on Earth was the $10 Black Label Rosemount Shiraz, right? It was, it was like under 10, we were all dirt freaking poor. And I was like, I have this for under 10 bucks. You know what I mean? And like, they're only making a certain amount of it. But then all of a sudden, you realize that they made enough of it. Eventually, when it got popular to Phil Lake Michigan, you know what I mean? And the quality obviously didn't stay as high as it did. We all got kind of sick of this style, it became more affordable. And therefore it became something that nobody liked. And everyone wanted something more kind of austere. And I think we're, it's like I was saying earlier, I don't know whether I sit on air. Like there's music that I like now that I hated when I was a kid because I'm old enough to realize that everything has a place you know what I mean? And I think the same thing goes with those big kind of fruit bombs, like they are an American thing. And we should just embrace them just don't drink them all the freaking time,

right? I mean, but like you get a really nice Montebello Ridge, which is a fruit bomb and a hat but it's complex and sexy and just got I mean it goes so great with state you know, why wouldn't Why would deny yourself such a hedonistic pleasure

like a Buehler Cabernet with a steak? Yeah, I have a 13 below this weekend. And every time I do that, you know I do the I do the Ben Stein. Bueller.

You have to dealer nine times.

My wife is very sick of my antics. At this point. She's just like, satin fried steak. I want to be drinking now.

This is the grand finale.

Oh, this is the super fans. This is the super fans. So this

is again back to June. me.

Yeah, this but this is the fanciest one of the line. I'm trying to see which one is the oh the purple Coupe which we'll have next is the David is the David Coverdale one.

I think it's called Whitesnake.

We just need Whitesnake.

whites white. No, there's a white that they sent me. There's also the white snake purple Zinfandel. Still, it's definitely he made something called Whitesnake Zinfandel, which is freaking

amazing. Amazing. Amazing. You got to play the strengths of but it's not a

white Zen. That's the thing. I think it was. It was purple. Oh, yeah. Oh, do you know that David Coverdale was in deep purple? Yes, it was. I didn't. Yes, a couple years. Yes, he

premiered on the album burn, with Glenn Hughes as double lead vocalist, also the basis glenties is amazing. Glenn Hughes is amazing. So have two badass tenors.

Oh, yes. This is much more austere.

This is this is Bordeaux. It's yeah. And that's how you know like it's this is Lepic Bordeaux's. You

get your caps I think it's quite nice. Low cap Frank right on the nose. I think this is quite nice. This is

like bony bear. And then we went from journey to bony there we just went. Is that how

you're supposed to pronounce that? I don't know. Like it's French to not like Bon Heever.

No. Which makes me want to say it exactly the way you do. Yeah,

you're totally right down there. And by New Orleans way you must mispronounce every French word but not in an American Way in some sort of weird New Orleans way.

Yeah, he's from Miss Carter's just to be clear.

Well, yeah, it's all the same crap.

It was all countries locally. 30 minutes from high school to French quarters. Yeah. Okay, low country low country doesn't matter. I got a st sticker on my car. A car? Yeah. Cool,

by the way, like to get a ride anyway, so you'll understand this being from that area when I was when I was going to get my dogs neutered. I kept on saying I was going to chapter to list their balls. Nice. Nice

nice. So they wouldn't know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Yeah, this is really nice. This is delicious

wine. I'm getting notes of wheel in the sky. Keep on going I like

this needs more time to

now I don't know where we're going to be tomorrow.

My No. Hopefully back here this fun. It's actually

this is delicious.

It's a straight up Bordeaux. This

is this is limited batches.

This is this is most limited. This is most limited one. This is his 60 case. This is 85. Yeah, but this is his highest end. One. This is also 2010. And it's the finale right? So it's it's a what's it called between the winery and Jonathan Cain. Collaboration. That's the word I was looking for. I personally hate club. I hate collaborating. Really? I hate it. First of all, I'm just bad at it. For those of you that want to know like, you've found what it's like working there. Yeah, but we're Yeah, the Stasi knows what it's like working with me. And she's described it this way. Look at the first pilot episode of Veep with Juliette Dreyfus. When she when she, like, has someone sign the document for it comes out and says the amount of incompetence in this office is stack rank. Like that's like that's it. She's like, that's what I read your mind today. The Stasi Nastasi and I are good. We've been together for like eight years. So like working together for eight years. So she she read my mind? Because I was like, it's hot. She's like, Yes, I know. I spoke it. I'm like

do you make her feel appreciated? No.

All together now.

Like that, you know what I mean? Like, she doesn't make me feel like she's like she's like, you know, whatever. It's like it's a little I didn't I didn't I didn't make fun of you today. All right. I think it's delicious. You want to go to purple. Let's go to purple. I'm gonna we gotta hurry one finishes one aren't we ever worn glasses?

I'm here to talk about Burning Man.

We had a question someone wanted to do Burning Man. Why don't you while we're opening this next bottle wanting to talk about what the cocktail you made of burning medicine. Can Rothman formerly of Time Out New York? writer of the book was Taco Bell called tacos, tacos,

recipes and provocations. Thank you, man. Thanks. So

I wrote it. I wrote it. I don't wrote that book.

I did my words. Yeah, I would have signed it with a

I'm supposed to write another book now while we're opening this also, but not a tradition of going and going and going and talk talk. So

last summer we made in a simulated cordial so that we could the problem that we were solving was to make a shelf stable Margarita for Burning Man. And we did it even though you are a huge ass. You are huge asset assets to the process.

You know what I like? I challenge all of you in your meetings. If anyone listening here has meetings, like to go in that meeting and slip this into someone next to you. You're a huge asset to the team. Now. It sounds like you're saying asset you're actually saying an asshat Oh, so you got to slip it in, you know, you're a huge asset to the team. And then like, just let it drop. They'll hear asset and you said as her and you feel so good about yourself amazing amazing I have I've tried to get my wife to do this in her meetings for but she's my wife's like she's like you know she wants to do it but she's like to professional she's amazing anyway whatever I'm gonna have

a good time. There's gonna be one person one day that inspires it. Yeah,

yeah, you know and in the backpack also like we've put it out there to the cooking issues crew someone out there is like hopefully tomorrow we'll tweet back to the cooking issues African issues with I used as hat 20

So the dude that wrote in about the tiramisu. No, no. Remember lay? That's right. He wanted to make he wants to make crab really have

another person who wants to make a cocktail this year. Oh, so he should cordial he wants to make the cordial.

So basically, the deal was we approximated the flavor of fresh lime juice using malic and lactic acid in like store bought orange juice, which worked out super super well actually, it wasn't like the ratios were good. We just didn't use fresh lime which you were very upset about to Verhofstadt. That was the whole point of the of the problem. The whole point was that you can't bring fresh lions into the desert because they don't stand up in the desert. So we got as close as we could. And it was great and I felt very proud of it. I would recommend to that guy that he I brought like large Poland spring for many cooler water cooler jugs so that he could I could mix it in that and I kept it underneath the trailer and it worked out really well. All right. And it worked out super well and Dave's an asset to the team

people enjoy it people love you hand them any cocktail you can observe them poison and there was always wine there was

a time when I was your favorite person. What happened? I love her so mean to me Does that mean

you tryna the harder I am on you the closer you are Oh

Okay. That sounds like every every abusive relationship ever. But

give me give me give me some purple. Give me some purple. This is Whitesnake. Purple convey purpose. This is court perps. is awful. That is David David. Whoa. Before we do that, does anyone's do some Harold McGee on this? Does anyone have some plastic wrap? Whoa, does anyone have plastic wrap? We can get rid of this.

We can get rid of this plastic wrap on these

you can get it in. Get it in. So

Dave Arnold for those following at home just jammed some soiled saran wrap and his wineglass not

soiled in the way that like Frank Oz with Jim Baluchis condom says one condom one prophylactic Sileo

honestly, if that helps, if that what you're doing right there helps like is that really? Pour that diamond drink? Like pour it down the port?

Hey, hey, hey, drink that we did

a test and you're any swirling it as well.

It's making surface area looks like a glass bowl. Calm. So, so the molecule is Yeah, do it two years, the molecule is is attracted to the plastic. This is the theory we've done this test with Harold McGee. And the large surface area, the plastic and the contact will preferentially absorb the quirkiness that Tec rain has to slowly shafted TC, my brain is gone. I'll get it. And so

if you're in a desperate situation, like if you're desperate, there's nothing else to drink

water shots. Get your plastic wrapped in a big bowl, because you want to flash that stuff off. It is volatile, know what's gonna still be there. Give it a minute, you know,

you just like come and then no and then actually so he's now I want to narrate this because what he's doing is he's squeezing out the saran wrap into it with his dirty fingers. And then rock and roll is going to suck on the soil saran wrap. So this is this is

it's less, it's less, it's still there, but it's less safe and

side by sides side by side.

If I say what a red stained plastic thing looks like on the radio, I

will I'm not wrong. It's less.

The narration clipped in spat it into the spit bucket pocket with a horrified look on his

horrified this day that's outside of our windows not going well. Yeah, there's a day outside of our window,

vomiting course. Right in front of them. I

have to admit it is slightly less. Yeah. So

slightly less story.

As we say en francais.

Boom, boom, boom. But if you could see the labels, one label labels, slightly less terrible

ways. proved

you guy. Easiest label to date? Yeah,

that's pretty much Whitesnake. Thank God. The Whitesnake not for nothing. Do you know that David Coverdale was married to that? Tony Catania? Yeah. And I'm thinking, what's that video they did together?

Here I go again, and still have to wait. Jaguar.

There's another one he did with her. Like, let's just slow it. What's it? What's the song called?

Now that it's still

night shows in. Here I go again. On your own.

Here I go again.

How many different roads have you known? No. Going down.

He's only known one row. That's the whole point.

That's what's so genius about that song. It's not like a Robert Frost thing. There's no choice. No, nothing. No one row. No, the

point is that he tried to divert from the road that he knows and now he's like, You know what, this is who I am this road back to the road.

And the problem is, he's on the front of the car. How do you go it doesn't matter.

The only word he's ever known. We think of it as like a One Direction thing, but obviously it's the only road and he's been there and back. He's like just taking the same road back and forth.

He's a drifter. So

he's on a roundabout, ultimately circling songs about one. Whitesnake. That song is actually a Whitesnake cover of a Whitesnake song. What it is on an earlier earlier album before he had a real deal, and the lyric was like a hobo. I was born to walk alone, covered himself for that number Coverdale.

You said hobo, then, like John Stuart would have Markdale covers covered.

Right, exactly.

And the other thing is the flavor profile. This one seems to be taken off of the residue from the top of the Jaguar from the hero, you guys.

Also, I met a gentleman a weekend he gave me, candy.

My point, here's my point, like the wine is cork, we shouldn't judge the wine off the facts. But I will say this, if you're at if you're backstage at a Whitesnake reunion, right. Let's say you're back at liquor only because why am I there? You don't want to have to bring an opener. Go Go screwcap I agree. You're not aging purple foods.

But you know, what you could do is just smash it on the hood of white Jaguar and then drink it out of the Jaguar.

First of all, that era of Jaguar was the least reliable car on freakin earth like, jaguars are the worst cars ever made.

True. You're saying that? I'm claiming that they're the best cars ever? No, I

don't have that Jaguar is a mistake. That's all I'm saying. clipton has a car. All right, so we're moving on to the next winery. We're going to come back we're going to taste the wine from us, but we're on to, by the way, les Claypool a huge influence on me. Les Claypool has a winery called Claypool vineyards and I first actually only ever saw Primus once in concert 91 Really with baseball and there was surely season Oh, I saw them in New Haven at the palace and in the middle of a song I forget what it was it was like maybe it was defy the laws of creation or like or Mr. Know It All they call me Mr. Knowing that he was there he goes he stops and really is like he's like out none of you and taking hallucinogenic drugs that are illegal, and they're bad for you. And he's like, Dude, I was like what the hell less you're so freakin high. They were amazing. Amazing. But we were having an argument for the show started over the best Primus album and it's clearly fizzle Friday like straight up straight fizzle Friday. Anyone who says anything else should be shot and face like fizzle fries their best out I'm not saying I want to shoot you. But wow. First of all, like